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    Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    I'm feeling inspired by a thread for long hair advice, so now I need some help from any of you out there with thick hair!

    My hair is super-thick (but not coarse) and mid-back length, straight, and stubbornly refuses to keep a curl for longer than about 5 minutes. I am toying around with the idea of buying a fall, but in the meantime I just have to know if there's something more I could be doing (for performance, btw).

    Just last night I set my hair in rollers for a show (it took 24 rollers!!) and after letting them cool, I took them out, lightly sprayed the curls and gently fluffed them. They went flat before I even got to the gig.

    I don't really like how my hair looks in a barette and would love to have a nice bouncy 'do for show, but I'm not having luck with my hot rollers and don't like to use too many products. I'm sure I'm just not doing something right, but science was never my strong point, lol!

    Any advice would be much appreciated ..g.:


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Hi Razia

    I'm afraid I don't have the answer but I do have a lot of sympathy!

    My hair is monstrously thick, wavy and super coarse. I also have a double crown. Its in fairly good condition but I grew it long because I was so fed up of paying people a lot of money to cut it badly and then attempt to 'tame' it by plastering my head with products.

    Although it does curl, it doesn't 'do' any style. Its so heavy it just pulls/rips hair clips and things apart or swallows them into its depths. The last time I had it 'done up' was for my profile pic. It took someone else about an hour to persuade it and the up-do lasted for the photo session before collapsing.

    The only 'look' it does is 'through a hedge backwards': no one can tell the difference whether I brush it or not. Sigh!


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    argghh, I can totally identify with you!
    My hair only ''does'' the hanging straight down thing, which looks great after a trip to the salon but lame when I do it.
    When I watch the videos of all the trendy stars of Egypt and they have long straight hair, I think, wow, that's sexy. Then when I try it all I get is sweaty hair in my face. Hot!


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    I would really recommend finding a sylist that specializes, and I emphasized specialize in curly hair.
    Though your hair may not be curly those who specialized in curly hair also deal with thickness, and may know how to reform the curl. So you may be able to get some tips and secrets.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    I figure if plain long straight hair was good enough for Suhair Zaki, then it's more than good enough for me ..g.:

    One tip to keep it out of your face--when you're blow drying it, make sure you dry the front and sides from the front to back last, so that the hair is pointing towards the back of your head at the very roots. It won't be terribly visible as a styling thing, but it will help keep your hair out of your face.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    I'm anxiously watching this thread! Same issue! My hair looks fantastic for 10 minutes after I do it, then you'd never ever know I even tried from that point on. Oh, and I absolutely hate the smell of hairspray, but I'd use AquaNet if I thought it would actually work.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Do you all use product in your hair? They make gels and mousse products for keeping your hair curly and wavy, if you don't use products it's a waste of time to curl your hair.
    Another alternative is to get a bodywave type perm, then you have waves all the time, and it will hold curl.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Pillow rollers instead of hot rollers- hold muuuuch better and better for your hair. Put them in at night when hair is 95% dry and by morning ur hair is good to go and it will hold!


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    GREATEST and oldest thinck hair moisterizer-CHOLESTROL! $1.97 orange jug of crisco


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Alright curly wanna have's... (that's a good thing).

    "Bumble & Bumble B Styling Prep." DA BOMB. My brides' curls last all night long. I've mostly used it on fine, straight hair, or thick thick straight hair and people who swear their hair does not hold curl.

    Spray and comb thoroughly through dry, unwashed hair (freshly washed does not hold styles as well as unwashed; if oily, do the baby powder thing). Then style.

    Full volume in your hot rollers: don't let them flop about on the head, "overdirect" them (opposite direction from hair growth) and clip 'em tight to the scalp.

    Just demo'd this for the makeup dvd (Sept '08, loves). Worrkkksssss.... ;0)

    P.S. My hair is like a horse's tail. The stuff works for me, too.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Rock and roll, you guys, thank you!
    I don't use any product before curling because I don't know what to try, but now I know I have to use something (thanks for the recommendation, Azhia!).........I've got a show Saturday, so I'll need to find some B&B!


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Do you have a pair of the new type of tongs. They are FAB. I have the really thick barrel ones, and they act like hair straighteners inasmuch as they heat up REALLY hot. If any of you have been watching "the F word", please read the following as if it's a recipe from there...

    Tongs
    Hair...in
    Wait
    Release
    Wax spray on
    Hair spray on
    Feathers in
    Done.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    do you want lift at the crown of your head or curls in the length or both?

    Don't wash prior to syling or it'll be harder work.

    For root lift, take a top section of hair and flick it out of the way. Lightly spray the crown head of hair with hair spray and backcomb it, when done spray again, now place the top section over the backcombed hair and smooth it out.

    for curls the best way I've found to do this is to use mousse on my hair and use as many braids as I can manage or hair elastics for and leave it in overnight, when you take them out finger comb your hair if you want to keep the curl definition or a wide comb for a more wild look! Try braining while it's wet and dry for what works for you.

    I think it's really a matter of experimenting. Heated rollers have little effect on me. I don't like using heated tongs as the heat can damage your hair, if it's long and you're using tongs please don't do it too often and use deep conditioners to minimise burning all the moisture out.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    oh wow, I heart Gordon Ramsay! I have such a crush on him!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellydancingcaroline View Post
    Do you have a pair of the new type of tongs. They are FAB. I have the really thick barrel ones, and they act like hair straighteners inasmuch as they heat up REALLY hot. If any of you have been watching "the F word", please read the following as if it's a recipe from there...

    Tongs
    Hair...in
    Wait
    Release
    Wax spray on
    Hair spray on
    Feathers in
    Done.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    I mainly want body so I'll try the backcombing thing......and I will have to buy product :) Thanks for the advice, this is very thorough!

    Quote Originally Posted by straightleftknee View Post
    do you want lift at the crown of your head or curls in the length or both?

    Don't wash prior to syling or it'll be harder work.

    For root lift, take a top section of hair and flick it out of the way. Lightly spray the crown head of hair with hair spray and backcomb it, when done spray again, now place the top section over the backcombed hair and smooth it out.

    for curls the best way I've found to do this is to use mousse on my hair and use as many braids as I can manage or hair elastics for and leave it in overnight, when you take them out finger comb your hair if you want to keep the curl definition or a wide comb for a more wild look! Try braining while it's wet and dry for what works for you.

    I think it's really a matter of experimenting. Heated rollers have little effect on me. I don't like using heated tongs as the heat can damage your hair, if it's long and you're using tongs please don't do it too often and use deep conditioners to minimise burning all the moisture out.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellydancingcaroline View Post
    Do you have a pair of the new type of tongs. They are FAB. I have the really thick barrel ones, and they act like hair straighteners inasmuch as they heat up REALLY hot. If any of you have been watching "the F word", please read the following as if it's a recipe from there...

    Tongs
    Hair...in
    Wait
    Release
    Wax spray on
    Hair spray on
    Feathers in
    Done.
    Tongs? is that the same as a straightening iron?


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    "Tongs" is usually British for curling iron. Haven't heard it used to mean a straightening iron, but I'd love to know if I'm wrong about that. Maybe since my hair is already poker-straight, I just haven't noticed!
    Last edited by Suzana; 07-11-2008 at 06:44 PM.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Bellydancingcaroline View Post
    Wax spray on
    Hair spray on
    Feathers in
    Done.
    what is wax spray? can you show a photo of what this product looks like?


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    after reading this thread, I had to do a little google search on tongs. Apparently they make straightening irons that actually rounded, so you can create wave at the same time you are smoothing and de-frizzing. Sounds pretty good, if it really works.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Branded J Collection (where I get my brushes) has an interesting tool. Is it similar to the "tong"?


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Azhia View Post
    "Bumble & Bumble B Styling Prep." DA BOMB.
    Great to know!

    I feel as if I'm asking a dumb question, but are the "curl-enhancing" products out there good for permed hair as well as for the naturally curly? I've got a new head of waves here (yay!), am looking to juice 'em up some for the stage but fear ending up with the dreaded frizz.


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    arrgghhh--update!!
    Okay, I bought a curling prep spray (although not the one Azhia recommended because I couldn't make it to Covent Garden today for the B&B salon) and used it according to the directions before putting the hot rollers in. I tried a bit of backcombing, my hair wasn't freshly washed, I tried overcorrecting.....and it still went flat.
    I'm gonna keep trying, but after the hour it took to get my hair up, that 3/4 fall is looking mighty tempting.....


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Razia View Post
    arrgghhh--update!!
    Okay, I bought a curling prep spray (although not the one Azhia recommended because I couldn't make it to Covent Garden today for the B&B salon) and used it according to the directions before putting the hot rollers in. I tried a bit of backcombing, my hair wasn't freshly washed, I tried overcorrecting.....and it still went flat.
    I'm gonna keep trying, but after the hour it took to get my hair up, that 3/4 fall is looking mighty tempting.....
    damnit. am I just gonna have to come out there?!


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Zana View Post
    Great to know!

    I feel as if I'm asking a dumb question, but are the "curl-enhancing" products out there good for permed hair as well as for the naturally curly? I've got a new head of waves here (yay!), am looking to juice 'em up some for the stage but fear ending up with the dreaded frizz.
    I believe so. In fact, they should be more effective b/c you have the perm and are great for helping against frizz. You don't nearly need as much product, though. Large curls should hold better as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Azhia View Post
    damnit. am I just gonna have to come out there?!
    lol, YES!


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Ok...if I read this right, you have hair that is thick in density (as in more actual hairs than average) but NOT thick in texture (e.g. not wiry, not coarse, prob. generally pretty silky and curl just falls right out of it), and it doesn't want to hold a curl. Is that right? My sister's hair was very much like that.

    If this is the case, then for performance...maybe don't fight your natural texture too much. A lot of women would KILL for thick/dense hair without the crazy coarseness, so rather than going for curls (which are going to be hard to maintain even with good product because when you start to sweat a lot, you're going to sweat all over that product down the length of the hair shaft on your back etc...) For a little body...this is low tech and not that pretty, but what about just putting your hair in a top knot/bun on top of your head (or even 2-3 around your head depending on hair thickness) when it's about 95% dry and leaving it that way for overnight and/or several hours? twist the hair into the buns and be careful to leave the last few inches free of the twist, but carefully wind them around the base of the ponytail/bun (so they'll "curl" around the base of the bun). Spritz with a styling spray. This creates a very soft loose wave that is more "fullness" than actual wave or curl.

    Trying to get a little volume/lift on top can be important...so can framing your face. for face framing, if you don't have bangs, can you play with how you arrange the forelock of your hair?

    Whether I'm wearing my hair straight or curly I often comb down the forelock to either side and spritz or pin behind my ear--acts as a natural headband to help keep my hair off my face. Another option is to pouf it up and back off the face a la late 1980s/early 1990s, but this may require backcombing (unless you're "lucky" enough to have a cowlick along the hairline like me...) You can also backcomb at the crown...though be aware the length and weight of your hair WILL pull some of that backcombing out after a while. (Always does on me--I don't have so density thickness like you, but I have a little more texture thickness and a lot of length.) So, if you can find a look that makes you happy without a lot of backcombing at the crown, it'll be easier on your hair in the long run.

    Faux hair mavens--what about a small wiglet/enhancer just at the crown? Do you think there's something like that that could work for Razia?


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    For thick and curly hair....
    I am in love with the Wired by Rusk product... attacks the frizz keeps it curly... then NOT a blow dryer but a diffuser on lower heat seems to help here...


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    Re: Spin-Off: hints for super thick hair

    Hey Razia... I suggest getting a new cut from a stylist that specializes in your type of hair. I have SUPER Thick wavy hair.

    A slight A line cut with layering... specifically more defined layering at the crown will help... along with maybe having some some of your hair thinned to lessen the weight/bulk of it.

    Products I like... Aveda Phomollient, Avedap Pomade and Aveda Firmata hairspray AND the Aveda powder Potion.

    There's a gal here in Portland who does a great job, though I know it's a longer drive for you to come up here from Eugene. PM me if you want the 411 on her. She's worth the trip.

    OR if'n when we are ever @ the same dance event in Oregon holler at me. I can give a better description in person and I promise I am not a wierdo... Magidah can vouch for me. :)


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