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    Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Hi everybody,

    Have you seen the new Didem look?
    I must say - I've never been a big fan of her dancing.
    Liked some of her drum solos and acrobatics, LOVED her Romani dance. Did not care at all for her interpretation of Arab classical songs.

    Now for whatever reason she departed Ibrahim Tatlises' show - my impression is since she is "on the market" she felt she had to spice up her act a lot.
    Fake blonde hair, fake boobs, and now even fake lips.
    That look has a "sex industry chic" at least for me I am not quite fond of.

    Personally, I think it's sad that quirky little girl who obviously loved to dance more than anything else is conforming so much to what seems to be market demands.
    Sigh.

    But her OUTFITS rock!! I want those costumes!! Are these Bellas?
    I looooove multicolour costumes!

    Me wants

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAkMAUukUM]YouTube - Didem Turkish Bellydancer[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UksLqK8BFxI]YouTube - Turkish Belly Dancer Didem - New Performans 2009 HQ[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAHDfxBY9UI]YouTube - Didem Turkish Bellydancer[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Wnpiv2w1I]YouTube - Didem Turkish Bellydancer[/ame]


    What do you guys think??


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    Oh and she's wearing lots of these leotard tops:
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt7tdXAiCvY&feature=related]YouTube - Dansöz Didem Kınalı - Roman Show ibo show 2009 Tarzan Mustafa & Sibel Can Yeni Video[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4V8oFQ-uJU"]YouTube - Didem[/ame]

    Like the look! très chic IMO


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    As I understand, she is performing pretty much every day on the Ibo show, which sound like an insane schedule - how in the world can she do that and develop as a dancer? I would assume that some of her choices are attempts to deal with that, and give the audience something new, more exciting every day.

    And, working with a big media macho dude every day probably also does not help towards making good choices with respect to her body and her looks.

    So, I don't like this at all, but I am inclined to assume that there is a lot of exterior pressure that influences these decisiosns.


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    For sure.
    As far as I know - for whatever reason she deserted Tatlises' show about 2 years ago. She then went to perform in clubs and hotels, and now performs in a morning show, Sabahlarin Sultani (Sultan's mornings). the morning TV in Turkey is.. notorious. Not exactly good taste.

    Yet one would assume she is freer there - I think her talkshow host/boss is a woman who seems very friendly towards her.

    Regarding the "macho dude" Tatlises: That is a very noble way of putting it. It would in fact be insane to assume a girl performing on his show regularly would not have to... compromise.. some of her values for that... He is a ?$%&+'"#!.

    Didem is now back to performing on his show for the summer break of her morning TV show.

    Well sure performing something new everyday is a lot of pressure..

    I believe - as a non Turk with some connection to the culture through my in-laws - Turkish culture generally regards bellydancers more as "erotic entertainment" (whether they view that positively as something about as naughty as the French Crazy Horse kind of entertainment, or as something dirty-naughty like stripping, dancing for money) rather than as a culturally positive dance. As much as many Arabs think no respectable woman should bellydance in public, especially not in the kind of costume, they still have a somewhat positive outlook on it as an expression of their culture if done right (and if they are not religious fundamentalists).
    I miss that amongst Turkish audiences. The naughty factor is blown out of proportion, and I think THAT puts pressure on young women doing it, and guides them into unpretty territory..
    Also I've said it several times - most bellydance movements appear in Arab folklore. Not many appear in Turk folklore - their social dancing is more Central Asian, similar to Greek, Armenian, Kurdish Persian, Afghan dancing in many respects. So I think already from that distance to the movements (seen only by professional dancers, on tv or in stage shows) there is less of a cultural embracement of the dance form by ordinary Turkish folks as opposed to Arab ones. My opinion and impression..
    Last edited by dinavienna; 08-11-2009 at 08:03 AM.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Imagine dancing daily on a television show and trying to keep the dance fresh, unique, and inspiring watchers to return the next day, incredible challenge.

    I like her new look, goes well with the costume.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    I really like the multi color theme. Very pretty costumes. Way more skin than I would ever show, but it looks good on her.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    I never could watch Didem because her lack of musicality annoyed me so badly. However, I liked what she was doing with the drum solos......still a little too jerky though but a definite improvement. It's strange that she's using a CD when there is a full orchestra sitting behind her. I wonder how she dances when she's not choreographed and all 'packaged' up?


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    To me, her style definitely feeds the titilation factor, but as you said, that's kind of what is expected on these shows. She is a very strong dancer, though, and keeps your attention. I also like the colorful costumes, but personally I think she is most beautiful as a brunette.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    I've never been a Didem fan, always thought she was good and that her 'improvements' turned her look more pornographic, but i just watch the 2 clips above of her drum solos and i must say, im a little impressed. love LOVE! the costumes, those are some really unique bellas wow :) I just wish she didn't look so western, she was beautiful before now unfortunuately more Britney Spears-esque :( As long as she's happy and doing what she loves, more power to her.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    well said Soraya - so are these Bellas you think? The bra belt sets do not stick out as much as Bellas normally do I thought - but there again these skirts are SO fantastic it is hard to outshine them :)


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by dinavienna View Post
    I believe - as a non Turk with some connection to the culture through my in-laws - Turkish culture generally regards bellydancers more as "erotic entertainment" snip
    This is so interesting that you should say this, because in my recent trip to Turkey, I totally got this feeling - like there is a big disconnect between Oriental dance and regular Turkish people. The only place you can see a dancer there is in a high ticket priced tourist trap, a seedy gentleman's club or on tv. Belly dance is more accessible to the general public here in America. Even for the Roman, they distinguish very clearly Roman dancing which they do from Oriental.

    You are right, Oriental dance has a stigma for professionals all over the Middle East, but most every Arab I've met can belly dance a little and does so at parties, weddings or clubs. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Turks. All the Turks I saw just party dancing, moved more or less like a typical American, with a few exceptions when they would bust into a line dance or folk dance style. They couldn't really belly dance. Turkish folk dances do seem a bigger step away from Oriental than many Arabic folk dances and it makes me feel as though belly dance is a lot more connected to Arabic culture. I suspect that is why so many Turkish Oriental dancers draw so much from the Arabic music and dance for inspiration and seem to have always done.

    It was a surprise to me though. I thought Oriental dance would be more intimately connected to Turkish culture. I can't decide if it never really was, or if it was a one point in time, but that was lost because of the turn of history? There has been so much dramatic change in Turkey, culturally and politically. Like they've leveled many of their traditional entertainment neighborhoods and dispersed many of the Roman communities for example. Could you imagine Cairo leveling and disbursing it's famous entertainment districts?

    I still like Didem's dancing - but I do wish she kept her original body. She was already gorgeous, she didn't need improvement.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    I think she's gorgeous. Though I do prefer her as a a brunette, she's still beautiful. And I've always loved her dancing, especially the Romani.

    That last costume is incredible! And I love that when they start playing Romani and Karsh. all the other ladies get up to dance too.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Scooch over, Dinavienna & Audie--another fellow Multi-color costume FANatic right here [I'm sure my local dance-sisters will concur:)]!!! :)

    I've always and still do like Didem's dancing; I love how her isolations seem so crisp and her undulations really translated (to me, visually) all across her enviously long torso... but also like Malia, I prefer her as a brunette and ditto what Shems says!
    Last edited by Lesgemini_Zafirah; 08-11-2009 at 09:53 AM.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    @ Shems You said everything exactly the same way I feel about it!
    Be aware, I am saying this as an Arab European with some family and media connection to Turkey, and less than fluent Turkish knowledge :)

    But exactly as you say - there is a huge disconnection between the average Turk, metropolitan or rural, and this dance form. Just as you say, put any Arab lady on a dance floor and depending on talent and shame level she is 99% of the time likely to do something step and movement wise you'd associate 100% with bellydance. Not so with the Turks, they have a nice level of social dancing, somewhat "Central Asian" to me, for lack of a better word, with interesting arm swaying movements and rather "sharp" foot steps.. hard to describe. This is what you'll get 99% of the time, or, just as you say, pretty much the same dance everybody in Europe or America would do.
    I personally think that is because their culture is just really different from the Arab one - see their tribes dancing, it is the line dancing, Halay for the Kurds and the Turkish name I do not know unfortunately :) Just very Asian, not Arab/Northern African. I mean even the Arabs in Asia, most notably Iraqis, dance quite differently from the Northern African and "moderately Asian" Arab countries (the head swinging, and very different steps that look somewhat close to Indian dance to me).
    I am not a dance theorist, I am just telling a layperson's impression on dance steps and their "family of movements" :)

    And just as you say - the bellydancer in Turkey is the TV übermensch that gets away with being naughty or the nightclub REALLY naughty kind of dancer - and what they sell in both cases is more sex than cultural romanticism and emotion, the elements that somehow balance out the "erotic" and naughty side for the Arab dance scene IMO.

    So in Turkey it really really is in a certain corner of society in my impression, this dance. Not that the dancers are not admired by many - but more by a male crowd on the one and a very open minded mixed crowd, who just thinks a certain level of eroticism is pretty and modern, on the other hand.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    On a sidenote:
    I was officially forbidden by my partner and his sisters to mention ANYTHING related to oriental or Arab dance or that I liked to dance "arapca" style to the parents in law. They would have really looked down upon that and would have probably raised doubts about our union :)

    When I dance to Mideastern music, also Turkish one, I do stick out as a "foreigner", and when asked to show a bit of "ordinary Arab woman's dance" to Arab songs I still get the same reaction by almost every Turkish woman "oh, but the way you do it is - PRETTY! not vulgar!" (exclaimed with great surprise oftentimes)


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lesgemini_Zafirah View Post
    Scooch over, Dinavienna & Audie--another fellow Multi-color costume FANatic right here [I'm sure my local dance-sisters will concur:)]!!! :)
    i am pretty sure I will be dreaming about these particular ones ,s::


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Well some of us dye our hair , some of us have fake tits and I don't think we are exactly portraying sex industry look. And there's an increasing amount of women who are getting botox for lips or to smooth out wrinkles, etc.

    Please don't judge ladies if they choose to enhance their looks by dyeing their hair or by surgical means. Piercing your ears could be considered invasive too.

    I'm not personally offended if someone makes a comment about my fake tits but I know a lot of women would be.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    I think she's absolutely gorgeous. Like the style but don't care for some of the fabric choices.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    I love the style of her blonde hair (those feathered bangs! i used to have my hair like that hahaha) but i really think blonde hair washes her out.

    i loooove those leotard tops, too! especially the silver one with the yellow skirt. that whole costume is lovely.


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    also, no offense to the lovely lithe ladies out there, but i think didem is just toooooo skinny :( she's not even particularly muscular, either. it's just painful for me to watch her, haha.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by shems View Post
    This is so interesting that you should say this, because in my recent trip to Turkey, I totally got this feeling - like there is a big disconnect between Oriental dance and regular Turkish people. The only place you can see a dancer there is in a high ticket priced tourist trap, a seedy gentleman's club or on tv. Belly dance is more accessible to the general public here in America. Even for the Roman, they distinguish very clearly Roman dancing which they do from Oriental.

    It was a surprise to me though. I thought Oriental dance would be more intimately connected to Turkish culture. I can't decide if it never really was, or if it was a one point in time, but that was lost because of the turn of history? There has been so much dramatic change in Turkey, culturally and politically. Like they've leveled many of their traditional entertainment neighborhoods and dispersed many of the Roman communities for example. Could you imagine Cairo leveling and disbursing it's famous entertainment districts?.
    Shems, I'm so glad that you mention this... I have been doing research on modern Turkey's social and political influences on Oriental dance and I have to say that I have to come to the pretty much the same conclusion. It seems like it is strictly entertainment without any deep connection to Turkish culture. I hope that it wasn't always this way though. My thoughts are that Ataturk shook things up so much that a lot of Turks (especially the younger generation) no longer feel much of a connection to their roots at all. I think the push for all things Western just kinda steamrolled over everything with an Eastern element.

    I am still working on this though so I may come across something that will contradict of all what I just said!


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Her costumes: very pretty (a new inspirations for a couple of my new costumes that I'll be making)
    Her blond hair: she looks pretty like that (I'm sure she would look gorgeous even with green hair), but I liked her more as a brunette. And I didn't like how she played with her hair constantly as a blond. It always bugs me when a dancer excessively plays with her hair. And by the way, did you guys notice how her hair was moving? She actually had a fan directed at her. I'd love that for my performances, I always get so hot from dancing!
    Her bigger boobs: she did not need them, I though she was unique enough before. And now, she definitely needs bigger bras, she looks too hoochy for my taste. (that and the blond hair, and playing with it, and fake lips - no,no!)

    I do like her drumsolos, and that every move shows up so nicely on her body. She's not skinny in a sense that you see every muscle, she has a very nice, thin body. But as Dinavienna, I never liked how she interpreted Arabic music. For me, it lacked emotion, and appreciation for the individual pieces, and it all seemed very mechanic.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by jesennia View Post
    Well some of us dye our hair , some of us have fake tits and I don't think we are exactly portraying sex industry look. And there's an increasing amount of women who are getting botox for lips or to smooth out wrinkles, etc.

    Please don't judge ladies if they choose to enhance their looks by dyeing their hair or by surgical means. Piercing your ears could be considered invasive too.

    I'm not personally offended if someone makes a comment about my fake tits but I know a lot of women would be.

    Jesennia - what if we take it to the academic level:
    I hypothesize if we'll have a random sex industry sample (incl. porn, strippers, nude models etc) the prevalence of (fake and naturally) tanned women with fake blonde hair, fake boobs and upholstered lips will be significantly larger than among the female average population.
    Then you know why I - and I bet quite a lot of others - have that association when all or most of these attributes come together ..g.:


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by jesennia View Post
    Well some of us dye our hair , some of us have fake tits and I don't think we are exactly portraying sex industry look. And there's an increasing amount of women who are getting botox for lips or to smooth out wrinkles, etc.

    Please don't judge ladies if they choose to enhance their looks by dyeing their hair or by surgical means. Piercing your ears could be considered invasive too.

    I'm not personally offended if someone makes a comment about my fake tits but I know a lot of women would be.
    While I understand this sentiment, how an individual alters their own appearance is entirely up to them, Didem's new look does really make me sad. First of all I think she was more beautiful and unique looking before and secondly she's only about 22 years old!
    It makes me sad that as surgeries become more common that "surgically enhanced" is becoming the new standard. Women have always compared themselves to media beauty standards but it bothers me a great deal that the image that my nieces and other young girls will see growing up is one that is not even real or only achievable by surgical procedures
    ,f::


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by dinavienna View Post
    Jesennia - what if we take it to the academic level:
    I hypothesize if we'll have a random sex industry sample (incl. porn, strippers, nude models etc) the prevalence of (fake and naturally) tanned women with fake blonde hair, fake boobs and upholstered lips will be significantly larger than among the female average population.
    Then you know why I - and I bet quite a lot of others - have that association when all or most of these attributes come together ..g.:
    but same could be said about hollywood reality stars

    the point being made was that women should not be judged for enhancing..for those who are offended by being called fake (again not me personally) it could sting


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    Jesennia, what is a "hollywood reality star"? A star of a realitv tv show, or is that just a genre I might have missed out on?

    Anyways if we're talking about Hollywood and porn actresses and see what distinguished them in my personal opinion:
    Our beauty ideals are (and are assumed they will be shared by men consuming porn):
    - being tanned
    - being blonde
    - having large breasts
    - having large lips
    - being slim.

    In the typical sex industry representative as many of these attributes as possible are present. The look is far from natural - bronzed skin and platinum blonde, being slim and having DD cups are attributes that are VERY unlikely present in one woman because they are quite antagonistic in natural prevalence.
    Hence? This look taken together is about the most unnatural possible.

    And I believe few Hollywood actresses - especially not the ones that are famous in categories outside of half-sex industry occupations (Pam Anderson, Carmen Electra etc) - carry these attributes. One or two of them (dyed hair, fake breasts - but enlarged not a size that looks unnatural), but not all.
    And Didem sadly, to me like a random sex industry worker, has them all. I am not saying she IS, not at all, but - my opinion:
    She lools horribly fake, and if it were not for those lovely costums, she, sadly, would look pretty cheap in my opinion.

    Maybe some people say she looks glorious - but I'd tend to think the majority of women at least does not find an assembly of fake attributes attractive or "enhancing".
    Enhancement for me is when someone has a real visual weakness, and has that "corrected". Like scars, a nose that is not considered pretty (although such "weaknesses" can make a face very characteristic, and beautiful in its own respect), etc.
    Didem had a gorgeous face, I could not have imagined it prettier. She ruined it in my opinion. Same with her body - she was not flat chested. She had admirably nice curves for a very slim body. Now her chest is just disproportionate.
    I do not consider creating an imbalance in a perfectly balanced body an "enhancement".. might be my taste only, but a lot of fans seem to agree..


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    I don't like the blonde hair. It looks damaged and fake. She's much more gorgeous as a brunette. I'll never understand the obsession with being blonde. Plus I think women with skin colors of olive and darker should never have blonde hair. That's just my opinion and believe me I have friends and family darker than that with blonde hair.

    I don't mind the lips if that's what she really did. Full lips are pretty so if she wants some, she deserves to treat herself.

    I think her breasts look great. The implants are not too big and they look like they could be hers. She looks like she's gained a tad bit of weight and it looks good on her. She's got a nice body and I think those are great shimmies on such a thin frame. My shimmies often get lost. I think her dancing has become a little more relaxed which I appreciate.

    Also I concur those costumes are fabulous.

    I can't imagine performing every night. She's a Rak star.


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by mariyah13 View Post
    While I understand this sentiment, how an individual alters their own appearance is entirely up to them, Didem's new look does really make me sad. First of all I think she was more beautiful and unique looking before and secondly she's only about 22 years old!
    It makes me sad that as surgeries become more common that "surgically enhanced" is becoming the new standard. Women have always compared themselves to media beauty standards but it bothers me a great deal that the image that my nieces and other young girls will see growing up is one that is not even real or only achievable by surgical procedures
    ,f::
    I fully agree it is sad an increasing number of young women views SURGERY (each involving a certain death or organ damage risk during anaesthesia from strain on the heart and circuit - that every surgery has, but surgery that is entirely for cosmetic reasons is in a different league for me), not to forget the often week long pain (particularly after breast enlargement), combined with the pretty heavy medication to be taken post-surgery and against incapsulation of the "contaminant" (nothing else is the implant for the body) as "just another enhancement" of their looks.
    Not to forget few of them deal with surgery screwed up - I bet quite a few whose operation has suboptimal or bad results would have preferred their initial features.

    Well to sum it up I think it pretty worrying surgery has become so normal..


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    Quote Originally Posted by dinavienna View Post
    Our beauty ideals are (and are assumed they will be shared by men consuming porn):
    - being tanned
    - being blonde
    - having large breasts
    - having large lips
    - being slim.

    In the typical sex industry representative as many of these attributes as possible are present. The look is far from natural - bronzed skin and platinum blonde, being slim and having DD cups are attributes that are VERY unlikely present in one woman because they are quite antagonistic in natural prevalence.
    OMG, so Barbie is a porn star?,r:;


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    Re: Didem new look (not so hot) and new multicolour costumes (HOOT!)

    same league, visually, IMO ;)

    (now conditioning in little boys for attractivity perceptions would be an interesting field of study for development psychologists :) )


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