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    newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questions

    hi to my fellow makeup fiends!

    so, inspired by lauren's "new makeup" thread, i got me some everyday minerals samples that arrived yesterday. overall, i think i've had a pretty shallow learning curve and i like a lot of the results already!

    foundation-wise -- all hail cool sandy fair, which seems to be an exact match to my face, don't even have to focus on blending the chin line. (i don't really get any darker in the summer, so won't worry about that.) to those of you who use this brand - what are your experiences with the different formulas (original, matte, intensive)? i got the intensive, and i like it, wonder if i would be as happy with matte and get an even more invisible-makeup texture. (i have combination skin and a 36-year-old number of lines.) those who are upwards of my age, are you still pretty happy with the coverage and not-settling-into-lines factor? those who perform in mineral makeup - do you just layer on more? how does it show under lights/photograph? etc!

    the concealer is the one thing that perplexes me. i think for one thing, the one i got is not the perfect color (quite yellow for me) but i also am not sure i'm applying it right. i gave up and used my mary kay facial highlighting pen under my eyes instead of concealer, because it still looks the smoothest. it did work beautifully on a yucky red patch i've had on one side of my nose throughout my pregnancy (thanks to the yellowness), but just seemed to give darkish/red used-to-be-zit spots a yellow halo without covering them. what kind of brush do you all use for mineral concealer? any other application tips?

    the colors are the most fun part of all! i got nick nack blush in my free sample kit, which makes me feel like quite the english rose. also bought the 10 little eyeshadows for $18 kit, because i couldn't resist it... and the colors i've tried so far are all beautiful (on the phone = sparkly nude color on me, wildflowers = pure matte taupe perfect for the eye crease, ping pong = gorgeous very sparkly pale pink-peach, comfy = medium cocoa brown with iridescent burgundy tones to it). i am curious what you all do with the darker/more intense colors. does anyone apply them wet for liner/intense color? what are your fave brush types for eye colors? there's one color i got, mystic night, which is a deep & almost metallically shiny blueberry-purple... hello bellydancer! can't wait to figure out what to do with that one and then wear it next time i dance in my pink & purple tie-dye l rose beledi dress.

    thanks to anyone who actually read this far! and i will be eagerly awaiting your opinions/advice (i'd think notes on applying other brands would be fine, too).


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    I have had a lot of success with bareMinerals brand foundation. When I first got it I was skeptical about it covering enough, but you just keep applying it to the affected area and sure enough it will cover- really well!

    I have turned to using the mineral makeup as my concealer, because I too found very few affordable brands that carry concealor in a tone complimentary to my skin tone, that didn't look cakey either.

    However, if you are lucky enough live by a BareEssentials store, don't let the girl talk you into a "Light" kit, because it's yellow toned. Get the "Fair" color, that isn't a part of a kit. Or get "Ivory", not "beige", in other brands.

    I'm very fair and my skin undertone is bluish/pinkish, and basically cool, so most makeup that has a yellow-base won't look good on me. If things look yellow on you frequently, chances are you aren't using a blue-based or "cool" based color. Look for foundation, concealer and lipstick, that seem pink or bluer in tone.

    Choosing the right color, has more to do with your undertone, than anything else. Second would be choosing to suit your next important features: your hair and eyes.

    The best eyeliner I have used is bareessentials black powder eyeliner, with a small angle brush to apply. It stays on me like nothing else and it looks more defined than pencil, but is easier to apply than liquid liner.

    Eyeshadow- I like to wear very bold colors that compliment my costume. Because I'm fair with auburn hair. I can wear plum purples, hot pink, and teal. I take after the Cherokee side of my family more, so my eyes are small, almond shaped and my upper lid goes down over my eye a bit; i.e. I don't have much eyelid. So, I wear the color out past my eye brow edge a bit and just over the brow bone, then put a much lighter; white shadow just under my eye brow to highlight the brow bone.

    This gives me maximum impact with the limited amount of eyelid realestate that I have...lol

    There are many resources online that can teach you about applying eyeshadow based on your eye shape...it's worth a google...

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    As far as the finishes go, I think it varies by your skin tone and other facial features. I have olive skin, dark hair, and naturally not-quite-oily, but kind of moist looking skin. On me, any kind of matte finish makeup looks very fake, my skin just isn't naturally anywhere close to matte. Friends of mine who have very fair kind-of northern European complexions mostly prefer a matte finish.

    For performance, I still use "traditional" foundations under bright stage light conditions, since stage lights play such weird games with makeup. The mineral makeup photographs really nicely. And it looks great and kind-of natural-but-better at haflas, or shows where you're up-close and personal with the audience.

    For mineral concealer, I found my concealer brush was too stiff, so I use a soft lip brush. I kind of pat it on with the brush, then blend out the edges. Though for regular blemish concealing, try using the same foundation you use all over the rest of your face. I think it works just as well for concealing individual zits and things.

    Mystic Night sounds beautiful!

    One other thing... Why do most foundation companies only make pink-toned and yellow-toned foundations?!?! That's the thing that really sold me on Everyday Minerals, they have neutrals and olives. I've had so many makeup people at the department store try to tell me with a straight face that my skin has yellow undertones. It doesn't. It has green undertones, but basically no "big" brands (Bare Escentuals included) make makeup for olive skin.
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    tee hee, sahana, i like your "title"! i actually am a makeup junkie, too, looking more for mineral-specific tips - so good to know about bare minerals "fair" and the black eyeliner. by the way, your own coloring is pretty fab!

    antimony, thanks for the ideas! (lip brush and the color that already matches. aha.) and if you are a purple/blue girl at all, totally get some mystic night. i agree with you on the dearth of neutral/olive foundations on the market! although the color that works on me is called "cool," it's a barely-pinkish neutral and really, almost everything else i've ever tried has looked either yellow or pink on me. (right down to lipsticks, which look either orange or hot pink no matter what color they're supposed to have been, unless they are truly neutral pinks or reds with a slight brown base as opposed to blue or yellow. bleh.) so i'm quite happy to find this.


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    ooh ah, here are some fun ideas from beautyblisscosmetics.com, the other mineral makeup i was eyeing before trying everyday minerals first!

    "Did you know all mineral makeup can be used for anything? That's right! You can use any color for eye shadow, eye liner, blush, bronzer, nail polish, in hair gel, in lotion, lip liner, brow liner, lip gloss and more! Here are the best make up tips for using any mineral make up product.

    Eye shadow: Of course we'll start the best mineral makeup tips with eye shadow. Use an eye color brush to apply your eye shadow. Follow the directions in foundation application by getting the color in the lid, swirling your brush, tapping off the excess and applying. You can also apply it wet, according to the instructions for eyeliners.

    Eyeliner: I know you figured this one out! Dampen your brush with water or skin refresher, and mix with the color in the lid, until it's a paste consistency. Use an eyeliner brush, and apply right along the edge of your eyelid, next to your eyelashes. Darker shades work best, but sometimes light shades and no eye shadow looks great too. You can even smudge the eyeliner for a "smoky" look. Be sure to wipe away excess liquid before closing the lid.

    Blush: Use a blush brush to gather your color from the lid and tap off the extra. Then use light, feathery strokes from the apple of your cheek back towards your hairline.

    Lip Liner: There are two ways to apply minerals to make lip liner. The first is to use the same technique outlined with the eyeliner above, but be sure to use a lip liner brush. Another good technique is to put on clear lip balm and use the lip liner brush to line your lips with the powder. Don’t forget to tap off the excess.

    Lipstick: Use the same technique as for the lip liner, and simply fill in your whole lip.

    Brow Liner: You can do this dry or foiled, according to the above instructions for eyeshadow. Always wipe any excess liquid out of the lid.

    Bronzer/ Body Shimmer: Use a large fluffy brush and apply the color to any part of your body that you want bronze or shimmery.

    Mascara: Got clear mascara? Great! Dip in your mascara and then in your minerals. Disposable mascara brushes work best with this, so you don't gunk up your mascara.

    Nail Polish: Use a clear nail polish and dip the brush into the color you would like. If this isn't working quite right, simply add whichever make up minerals you like to a bottle of clear nail polish, shake and paint.

    Other Goodies: These are really the best mineral makeup tips. Make up is supposed to be fun. If it becomes a chore and is tedious, we don't enjoy doing it. Remember to always keep it fun.

    Mineral make up can be added to lotion, in your hand or the bottle, for a shimmery all- over body look. It can be added to hair gel, in your hand or the bottle, for glittery hair. It can be dry dusted into hair, and then sprayed with hair spray. It can be mixed into almost anything for a unique look."


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    Why do most foundation companies only make pink-toned and yellow-toned foundations?!?!
    The word these days seems to be that every skin needs yellow-toned foundation. Eh, I dunno. What I do know is, my colouring is cool, but if I wear things that are very cool, they go too pink, if that makes sense to you. Eg, it's common for a blue-toned red lipstick to look magenta on me. An orange toned red looks ugly, but a red that is really true, with just a hint of the orange/yellow, stays just right. MAC Red, for instance, goes a touch purply, while MAC's Russian Red is perfect.

    I also think I need a "neutral" fair base, not one that is too yellowy or pinky.


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    i heard that too, zumarrad, about yellow foundations being good for all (from mary kay when they changed their line of foundations a few years ago - before that, they had a really nice neutral pasty white hue that worked beautifully on me).

    and now i wanna try russian red..... must stay away from makeup threads...


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    Oooh, I love Russian Red! I've also been told that one of the Viva Glam shades is also a great not-blue not-orange red, but I haven't given in and tried it yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ashadanzatrice View Post
    i heard that too, zumarrad, about yellow foundations being good for all (from mary kay when they changed their line of foundations a few years ago - before that, they had a really nice neutral pasty white hue that worked beautifully on me).

    and now i wanna try russian red..... must stay away from makeup threads...
    Actually, I wear one of their ivory shades - the second palest I think - and it works really well for me. So I must be a tiny bit yellowy. It doesn't look yellow though, unlike some foundations that are really golden. For stage I wear Kryolan Alabaster, which doesn't look very pale in the pot but works nonetheless.


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    I had wasted money on BareMinerals. For me, it was a huge waste. Others love it. Ironically, I found what works best for me is Loreal's Minerals line. I love their foundation and mineral blushes!


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    I was once a devotee of BareMinerals, but I have given up on it. It looked great for the five minutes after I applied it, but any longer than that and it settled into my face giving me lines that I do not have.

    My mother is a member of the BM cult and told me that I was using too much or that I needed a better base. I tried everything I possibly could. Less foundation, experimenting with different moisturizers and primers. Experimenting with no moisturizers and primers. You name it. I always got the lines. I've since switched to an Aveda product and like it much better.


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    I tried the sample kit, too.

    I gotta say, it's not the right makeup for me. I actually had this 'emperor's-new-clothes' moment where I went "Heyyyyyyy, wait, this is....face powder!"

    Only it's also slightly shiny, and that spotlighted every flaw in my skin. Literally including a few I didn't know I had.

    I was feeling a little left out -- everyone else seems so happy with mineral makeup! Til I read this report: http://manager.paulaschoice-eu.com/p...Makeup2007.pdf
    Basically, Paula doesn't say there's anything bad or wrong with mineral makeup, only that -- like most cosmetics -- a lot of the claims are misleading to say the least. The report was an interesting read, though.

    Still, I hope I can find a product that makes me half as happy as the mineral makeups seem to make their fans!


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    That report is very informative Lauren, and explained a lot of things that I already suspected.

    I did laugh out loud when she talks about Jurassic Virgin Soil as an ingredient in one of the products!..l;, ..l;, ..l;,


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    NOTE: for those who aren't familiar with Paula's reports, she's really NOT picking on mineral makeup. She always busts apart the marketing claims of the various cosmetics, it's what she does -- and I suspect it isn't a difficult job, really.


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    I actually had this 'emperor's-new-clothes' moment where I went "Heyyyyyyy, wait, this is....face powder!"
    LOL. This makes me feel better about these products (and the article was really informative). And this
    You can use any color for eye shadow, eye liner, blush, bronzer, nail polish, in hair gel, in lotion, lip liner, brow liner, lip gloss and more!
    just confirmed it for me: these mineral foundations are different-coloured, costlier versions of the infamous Natural Glow, whose "thousands of luminous spheres" reflect the light to make you look orange and wrinkly, whatever your colouring!


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    Well, yeah, it's face powder. What else did you think powdered foundation was? ..l;, Even MAC Studio Fix is just face powder.

    I think the reason that some people get all excited about mineral makeup vs regular makeup has a lot to do with how well you can wear regular makeup in the first place. If you have had generally ok experiences with liquid foundation, then mineral makeup isn't necessarily anything special by comparison.

    On the other hand, I have yet to meet a foundation that didn't give me cystic acne if I wore it all day, and leave my cheeks cherry red with irritation the whole next day. (Never mind the fact that my skin tends to be oily, and there's nothing quite as unattractive as liquid makeup visibly melting off of skin) So for me, the difference between liquids, that look bad and leave me with painful lumps and irritation, and minerals that don't is huge.

    I don't buy the whole "natural" hype around minerals. I am well aware of the fact that every molecule is a "chemical", and that the minerals in the makeup are produced synthetically anyway. The thing for me is that they're different chemicals, and they don't cause me irritation and pain.

    Even the fancy-pants spray on Dior foundation I mentioned before I can only wear for a few hours, though that's still a lot better than any other drug store/department store makeup I've tried.


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    Even MAC Studio Fix is just face powder.
    That explains why it made me look yellow and dull, then. I was so disappointed. I definitely need a cream or liquid.


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    heh. it's amazing the level of marketing hype some people will buy into. my husband has visions of marketing fat-free sugar, just to see how many people would buy it... and as they say, snake venom and hemlock are "all natural" too! (though for the record, at least not all brands of mineral makeup have the bismuth oxychloride stuff or several other ingredients in paula's report - e.m. being one that doesn't.) in my case, i would not expect a makeup to be my skin care or sunscreen. i wasn't even looking for those things, as i like my skin care system fine - just wasn't happy with my foundation, and was girlycurious to try all the cool new colors!

    so far, after using the minerals for 4 days - what i like is how they really stay on, and really do look less like makeup/more like nice skin (definitely doesn't look like no makeup at all, no shocker there). of course it's face powder, but at least on my face, it doesn't apply the same as powders i'm used to (which would fall right off my bare skin, which this totally doesn't), and definitely lasts way longer. i have had some oil show through, but nothing like i would with liquid + traditional powder, and it's easier for me to blot the oil without taking off the foundation. i now have the hang of the concealer (thanks, antimony) but still like my superlight liquid "chemical!" concealer best for under eyes. i suspect paula is right in that people with certain skin types may like this kind of makeup better than others. i guess that's like anything else on the market.

    as for the colors i picked... which were my present to myself for making it to 20 weeks... they are so fun to wear. today's "all hail" goes to "ping pong" eyeshadow. oh so sparkly goldeny peach pink... a neutral in the bellydancer universe, right?... i have 8 other colors (one was backordered - plum with emerald sheen? come on, of course they're out of it - how could you not try that?), and yet i seem to want to wear that one every day! next thing to try - blending a couple eye colors before applying...


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    Quote Originally Posted by antimony View Post
    I don't buy the whole "natural" hype around minerals. I am well aware of the fact that every molecule is a "chemical", and that the minerals in the makeup are produced synthetically anyway.
    I thought about you when I read the report, actually, 'cuz I knew you were a chemistry major. I figured you're one of the people who can probably equally enjoy the mineral makeup AND the report! (I always enjoy Paula's reports, wish she'd do other products as well, like household cleaners and stuff.)

    The thing for me is that they're different chemicals, and they don't cause me irritation and pain.
    You're totally right, that IS the thing. And I'm one of those people you mentioned who tolerate traditional products pretty well, so I don't have any idea what it's like to struggle with those issues.

    I'm finding that I like some of the anti-aging foundations right now, even though I think they have wax in them or something. Slap some of that stuff on me & prop me up in the House of Wax!


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    Speaking of foundations, has anyone tried those new "self-adjusting" ones where you pick a base shade that's "light" or "medium" or "dark", and it adjusts to match your skin? I tried one out - I can't remember the brand - and while it certainly did disappear into my skin, it didn't really cover at all.


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    I know "Everyday Minerals" has been mentioned in several threads. I've ordered the free samples (you pay shipping - less than $4, I think) twice, loved 'em, and yesterday put in a big order (but still under $50!), including the 10 eyeshadows for $18. I'll post again, perhaps with a photo of all of my goodies, when the box arrives.

    Oh, and their "news" sections says they're working on a primer without dimethicone.

    Free sample kit found here in the "custom kits" section: Custom Mineral Makeup Kits - Everyday Minerals


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    Quote Originally Posted by zumarrad View Post
    The word these days seems to be that every skin needs yellow-toned foundation. Eh, I dunno. What I do know is, my colouring is cool, but if I wear things that are very cool, they go too pink, if that makes sense to you. Eg, it's common for a blue-toned red lipstick to look magenta on me. An orange toned red looks ugly, but a red that is really true, with just a hint of the orange/yellow, stays just right. MAC Red, for instance, goes a touch purply, while MAC's Russian Red is perfect.

    I also think I need a "neutral" fair base, not one that is too yellowy or pinky.
    Hmph. I wish it were easier for me to find yellow-toned fair/light makeup! It seems like everything is too pinky-orange for me, or if it's in the right colour family, it's too dark. I need yellow with a bit of green. Damned stupid complexion I've got. It's what happens when you take after your half-Armenian mom in colouring, but the olive skin gets diluted by the genes from your Franco-Canadian dad. Such a pain. I have a liquid foundation I like ok (Neutrogena Healthy Skin in Softest Gold), but it's hard for me to find a half-decent concealer. I'm also still skeptical about the ability of mineral makeup to provide real coverage without having to layer a ton of powder onto my face, but I should give it a shot.

    --Laura/Anahit


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    Ok, I just ordered one of those Everyday Minerals free sample kits. I figure, I get to try three foundations, a concealer, and a blush, and just pay for shipping? Not bad!

    --Laura/Anahit


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    Has anyone ever tried, "Laremin" mineral make-up? I have heard great things about it and it is more pure and natural than most.

    Lisa


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    Hey, there is a mineral makeup that is a creme rather than just a powder. It is called Illuminaire and I used it for quite a while. It is a good product. It did not make my skin look dry and wrinkly the way Bare Minerals did.
    Illuminare Cosmetics
    This is one of the few lines of makeup in which the palest shade is a little to pale for me (but the second palest is a bit too dark). i had to buy both and mix them; I think that is why I stopped ordering it -- I just got tired of having to order two tubes.

    Sedonia


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    ok. Used BareEscentuals/ ID whatever they call themselves. Too sparklie, sits in the fine lines round my eyes.

    Jane Iredale. Too matt/flat

    I've tried another american brand but can't remember it's name and it wasn't much good anyway.

    Eminence Organics. Smelt nice, colour was too yellow, very handy applicator.
    You also need to watch out for MMU that contains talc/bismuth as in some people it can clog pores and promote breakouts.



    The two winners for me have been Lilylolo based in the UK - excellent good range of colours and sample, I took 3 minipots on holiday with me to deal with my changing from ghostly white to an almost human tan.

    The other good mmu has been BellaPierre. That's what is currently in my bag.

    I like the fact that I can wear several colours from a palette, I can lighten and darken the make up to suit my skin tone, I can use them as highlighters and to add contours. It does take some getting used to and you have to figure out what moisturisers you can use, some cause the mmu to go blotchy or even ball up.


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    So to go so TOTALLY off topic, but Straightleftknee... who is that hottie in your avatar pic?!?! WOWSA!!!! .w.: :tongue:
    Okay, we now return to your regularly scheduled thread. ..l;,


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    insofar as 'finishes', i prefer 'intensive' for several reasons, the coverage is the best!, the finish, flawless and no caking or settling in lines (i'm 43), AND with concealer (mine is 'multitasking', neutral beigey), the zits i still get disappear!, plus, it's almost matte, so none of the shininess from bareescentuals or natural glow by everyday..........AND, if i pass out at night with it on, it actually helps my skin clear a bit.......i WILL attest to that.....the finishing powder is the silk powder............can't wait for the primer!

    i'll have to look at my eyeshadow collection, it's at home, but for everyday blush, i have b&b and siesta, and my fave for night and performance is girls day...........


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    Everyday Minerals for me... I also love the Nick Nack blush. I'll save Apple Spice for when I'm tanner in the summer.

    As far as the concealer goes -- I tried the Mint on reddish spots and Sunlight on under-eye blue-ish circles. Worked great for me. I also got the multitasker for when I have no idea what to do.

    I settled on Fair Medium after trying several foundation colors. Those sample kits RAWK. I guess I'll have to try the eyeshadows now... (sigh, what a chore!). :-D


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    Re: newbie's bhuz-induced adventures in mineral makeup... and about a million questio

    I have tried a few brands of mineral makeup and I really wanted to like it, I really did. But, they were all too drying for my skin and I did not like the texture and it made the few fine lines I have seem much more pronounced. I prefer liquid or cream MAC foundation.


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