Thread: Does this veil go with this costume?

Maybe I'm strange, but I kinda like it. But my computer is showing more purply blue-grey tones in the veil and less black-grey so I'm not sure what the true colors are. I also don't like veils that area too matchy-matchy or too "now for something completely different." Ha!--Not sure what that leaves... I'm an enigma...

Well, no, I don't think the current veil is horrifying...it just doesn't "pop."

The person who suggested a white/silver veil also had a good suggestion--if you want something that's fairly conservative (i.e. not introducing other wild colors) but not overly matchy-matchy, that'd be a good way to go. It would look very delicate and pretty.

you can get away with it. it's not that it doesn't match but it doesn't complement. if your veil doesnt complement your costume, it should complement your skin tone. and since you look to be about as fair as i am, greys dont really do much for us. a jewel tone would work out nicely. if you wanted to stick with purple, you could go for something purple that is mottled with another color or vice versa.. another option would be a bright veil with a purple edge or a purple veil with a turqoise edge
just some thoughts!
green would go nicely as well for a stark contrast- and look great against your skin.

What does "matching" mean? *asking this rhetorically*

It looks fine to me.

I don't pay mind to whether my veil "matches" my costume. I have only 3 funky veils that I use with any of my costumes ('coz I can't stand veil, unless it's double and tissue lamé ;0).

When I use a veil I want people to look at the veil, not necessarily the costume, yet. I don't do veil wraps but it's my way of taking focus away from the costume and my dancing at the beginning of a number until I ditch the veil and then they can focus on other things. It's the ride on which I choose to take my audience.

Your costume is so beautiful and elegant and classy, the veil doesn't do it justice. I would also recommend pink for a nice contrast. BTW, you look great!

the veil has a cool undertone and your lovely costume has a warm undertone so it doesn't work for me. it's not horrid but it doesn't add anything striking and i think the mottled pattern is a bit too casual for the style of costume.

you look stunning and diserve a veil of the same level

Originally Posted by TediThomas

Mine would. I consult him regarding ALL of my costuming. Then again my husband is apparently a little different from many men in that regard: he understands the full color spectrum and the use of colors (how many shades of white are there), has visual spacial awareness (2 dimensional and 3), understands fabrics and construction (hard and soft), and so many other talents that he lets me draw on (have to stop myself here at some point before I make him sound too good to be true).

There's more than one out there! I consult my hubby on loads of style things. I know his taste and he knows mine. He has a good eye for line and how things flatter a person's shape and skin tone.

I call him my big gay husband sometimes! LOL!

Thanks for your thoughts all!

The grey veil does have the same purple in it, the second picture shows that a little, you can see it on the left side of the pic.
I have used a white silk veil with this costume, it didn't make me feel good, it felt too plain. Royal blue might be an option as well. There are royal blue beads in the swirly pattern on the costume.

And thank you for the sweet compliments! This was an afternoon gig for about 15 people, always a bit strange. 2nd January, right after the holidays, so a couple of extra pounds (which I haven't quite lost yet) and PMS-ing big time!

Anyway, this morning I told my guy that most of you think he's right - you should've seen his smile! He likes Bhuz!

Originally Posted by Queenie

...2nd January, right after the holidays, so a couple of extra pounds (which I haven't quite lost yet) and PMS-ing big time!

Oh brother--where???!!! Your left elbow? The back of your right knee? On your neck hiding under your hair?

I sure don't see extra pounds and PMS pouf--you look great! ..g.:

Originally Posted by Azhia

What does "matching" mean? *asking this rhetorically*

It looks fine to me.

I don't pay mind to whether my veil "matches" my costume. I have only 3 funky veils that I use with any of my costumes ('coz I can't stand veil, unless it's double and tissue lamé ;0).

When I use a veil I want people to look at the veil, not necessarily the costume, yet. I don't do veil wraps but it's my way of taking focus away from the costume and my dancing at the beginning of a number until I ditch the veil and then they can focus on other things. It's the ride on which I choose to take my audience.

First time I've heard a dancer say she's not bothered whether her veil complements her costume. Shouldn't the veil be an extension of the dancer rather than a device like a matador's cape distracting a bull?

People will actually only take in your costuming for the first 30 seconds....they sum you up in those vital moments. assessing you for overall presentation. Which is why most professional dancers merely waft around with their veil in a meet and greet process that says, "hi, I'm dancer, look how beautiful my costume is, and my veil and my hair and make up and the general way I look'. After that, they adjust their focus on your dance skills.

Your purple costume is gorgeous. Your veil is mediocre. Costume is warm tones. Veil cold tones. The two don't mix. Trust me and the others who can see it, they don't look good together. A dancer's reputation consists of many things...one of which is taste in costuming, and this includes hair, make up and general appearance. An good outfit can be ruined with bad accessories. A colour which looks surprising good with purple is yellow ..... or cerise. If in doubt always match up your veil to your costume.

Oh! In that case a vibrant royal blue veil would certianly make the bead work design pop. (visually speaking, not physically)

Originally Posted by Queenie

Royal blue might be an option as well. There are royal blue beads in the swirly pattern on the costume.

I don't think it goes. It's close enough to look like a mismatch. It looks "dirty" compare to your costume. If it was a very dark place you were performing perhaps you could get away with it, but even then, why try to hide, get some lovely veil that compliments or contrasts with your costume. Gold looks really nice with purple for example.

for this costume, Dar has other veils that would do better imo..

pow!
http://shiboriborealis.com/aztecorchid.jpg

http://shiboriborealis.com/bluestickmen.jpg

http://shiboriborealis.com/peacockstrut2.jpg

Originally Posted by kharis_UK

First time I've heard a dancer say she's not bothered whether her veil complements her costume. Shouldn't the veil be an extension of the dancer rather than a device like a matador's cape distracting a bull?

People will actually only take in your costuming for the first 30 seconds....they sum you up in those vital moments. assessing you for overall presentation. Which is why most professional dancers merely waft around with their veil in a meet and greet process that says, "hi, I'm dancer, look how beautiful my costume is, and my veil and my hair and make up and the general way I look'. After that, they adjust their focus on your dance skills.

Just for the record, in case I didn't state, I like the veil, Queenie. And just based on my own nose [opinion] I don't think it needs to match.

I totally agree with you Kharis that audience will look at costume first 30 seconds. Which is why I like to drag it out visually as much as possible with a veil that doesn't match that they can look at first, then look at costume, then focus on dancing. I actually tell many of my students: "You've got a great costume, now what?!" So I am on board with what you say about costuming only being a small proportion of the total performance and that actual skill will carry the rest of the show.

I think the belief that veil is an extension of the dancer is one way of looking at it. It is not my belief, however, and I actually prefer to view the veil as a device like a matador's cape, which is why I'm not bothered by an unmatching veil.

I mean, check out these horrendous dots! [my veil is peach, costume is banana flesh yellow.]

Originally Posted by Azhia

I totally agree with you Kharis that audience will look at costume first 30 seconds. Which is why I like to drag it out visually as much as possible with a veil that doesn't match that they can look at first, then look at costume, then focus on dancing. I actually tell many of my students: "You've got a great costume, now what?!" So I am on board with what you say about costuming only being a small proportion of the total performance and that actual skill will carry the rest of the show.

I think the belief that veil is an extension of the dancer is one way of looking at it. It is not my belief, however, and I actually prefer to view the veil as a device like a matador's cape, which is why I'm not bothered by an unmatching veil.

I mean, check out these horrendous dots! [my veil is peach, costume is banana flesh yellow.]

Well, in a way your veil choice does coordinate in that peach and yellow are complimentary colours in tone, even though banana yellow and peach is not an ideal match. Each to their own, and I think you're viewpoint is very interesting in that most dancers would disagree with it for aesthetic reasons. That you use this as a deliberate ploy to distract your audience, is again, interesting, I've never come across this. The majority of dancers who I've known to have mismatched their veil, just didn't have an eye for colour or an inability to match and coordinate.

I have to jump in again say there is a world of difference between the generic swirls you see flooding ebay these days and the work Dar does ..since I dye stuff too I know how incredibly time consuming and tedious the work can be to produce something that many people may think is easy to do. I believe Dar hems all of her veils, she also irons them so they look amazing in the photos. She is a true artist. Even her simpler swirl style veils are a few steps above the rest. But look closely..some of the swirls have some very intricate intended patterns. They are really amazing works of art.

The veil in the first photo would look fab with a pewter costume.

Dar does the lexus of all veils see more at Shibori Borealis : One of a kind silk veils for belly dance, scarves and fabrics

Just wanted to throw in a word about my husband here.

He's a tough, Sicilian type that cooks like a dream-but I stay out of the kitchen when he's working 'cause I hate the temper. (One of the viking remnants; his whole family is redheaded).

Macho, to some extent. But amazing when it comes to clothes.

2 stories:

1. Years ago I got an office job after I'd been working in the field for a surveyor. So I had NO indoor clothes. We went to the mall-JC Penney's I think. And I spent an hour looking at everything and nothing quite worked. Then he came back from the bookstore. Size? I told him. Don't move, he said, and left. He came back 10 minutes later, same dept. I'd just despaired of with: 1 navy blue skirt, 1 white skirt, 1 white cardigan, 1 blue sweater vest, 1 white blazer, 1 elegant black/patterend skirt, 1 crisp white blouse, 1 black silk blouse. Everything went together and I had outfits for the week. I still don't know how he did it.

2. I bought a gorgeus bronze bedleh. A perfect bronze color, all covered in glass sequins and beads, with some accenting gold, and a few red stones. I, and every dancer that saw it, said "red" for the skirts. He said no. I tried red and it was fine. He insisted on forest green. And you know what? It made the bronze color just POP! It faded out with the red.

a strong, macho type man that sets mouse traps, works on the car, wired the house, cooks like a pro and can make my costumes work. Any wonder he's my valentine?

Kitty

Originally Posted by Queenie

Have been arguing (well, sort of) for weeks with my significant other whether this (shibori borealis) veil goes with this purple eman. I think it does, he think it absolutely doesn't. But I think he doesn't like the veil to begin with.
Bhuzzer's expert thoughts?

You looking for an opinion or affirmation?

I think it's a nice contrast.

Originally Posted by HubicRuzz

You looking for an opinion or affirmation?

Opinion please ..g.: I don't want to be proven right... I know I'm not an expert color matcher ..l;,


Thanks a lot for your suggestions Jes! I don't think I have a costume right now that would be a 100% match for this veil - but I do love the quality, it's my favorite as far as dance comfort goes. Haven't had the honour yet to dance with an akai veil though!

Originally Posted by kahaz

Just wanted to throw in a word about my husband here.[....]

Wow! Impressive!

just found this discussion now

the original: i'd use it if nothing else was at hand
if i could choose, i'd put a grean/teal next to it

or a solid purple in the same shade. or a two tone purple going from purple to my hair colour (in my case orange, in your case black?).
oh, and if you can find it, silver! i' agree white white wouldnt work

and another one, if you can find it: almost the exact purple, matched with teal

Urmmmm.....no, in my opinion. I would get a contrasting one, maybe in lemon.

Originally Posted by kahaz

Just wanted to throw in a word about my husband here.....
Kitty

Wow Kitty...I gotta say, if his current career doesn't work out for him, get the guy an agent--he could probably clean up on the Oprah/Tyra/The View-type circuit. ;-)

I think it's a beautiful veil, but it doesn't do much for your costume. The costume is much more vibrant, and I think that it needs a similarly vibrant veil. It's all so subjective, though.

Kitty,

That bedlah sounds exactly like what I have been searching for in vain for a few years now! If you ever think of selling it, you know who to contact!

It doesn't work for me either, although I do see what you're going for.

Originally Posted by aamel_MirahAmmal

Yeeaaah...I have to admit I'm with many of the others. It's a pretty veil and all, but with that beautiful warm jewel tone colored costume, that grey-ish blue undertone goes kind of pfffffttthhht

That's it. Right there. The problem for me is that your costume is a warm purple and the veil is a cool grey. I also don't like mottled veils but I've seen some work for me. In this case, it's the colour family.

If you went for a cool lavender or lilac which are both purples, it wouldn't work either.

A lovely warm royal purple, fushia, lime or orange would just POP.

ETA: Wow, I should really look at when threads were started before chiming in.

I totally agree with you. I love contrasting colors.

Originally Posted by TediThomas

OH! Bright, flaming, flourescent hot pink!!! For a look at something really close to what you'd get, go to Sedonia's profile page (ssipes) and look in her pictures about halfway down on the right hand side. That shot would give you a quick idea as to whether you'd like that combination or not.