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    4 step camels

    Fist camel has a dip, then next 3 are tiny almot bellyrolls and very fast. What do you think of learning these as part of the second dance youhave ever done... Oh and it's to Sabla Tolo. These are second year students. In their first year they learnt one dance and the steps they needed for that dance and only those.


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    Re: 4 step camels

    Quote Originally Posted by jencUK View Post
    Fist camel has a dip, then next 3 are tiny almot bellyrolls and very fast. What do you think of learning these as part of the second dance youhave ever done... Oh and it's to Sabla Tolo. These are second year students. In their first year they learnt one dance and the steps they needed for that dance and only those.
    I say go for it! Even if the students can't get it at first, it will give them something to practice and they will eventually get better.


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    Challenging but not impossible and probably at least worth a try. Raqia Hassan did a similar move with a mixed level group at the October JOY. Some struggled but many were getting there by the end of the workshop.

    Its just one of those moves/combinations that will require repeated drilling and practice to get down.

    Its also quite subtle in its effect and my experience has been that it can be quite mentally challenging for students who have been learning for only a year or so to 'get' the the whole concept of subtlety and refinement as opposed to giving it lots of welly, which is what most of us are encouraged to do when we start.

    Having said this, I still think its probably worth a go.


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    so you think I am being picky to say that as they have only learnt one dance in their entire first year of dancing and there are literally loads of other steps that they should have done before this and that they are not goint to practice. drop kicks anyone?? After my first year with this lady I had to educate myself. We don't do any combination work, just drill up and down the room. Last week was the 6th of the term and we ran through the first 20 secs of the routine once.

    And how about the fact that it is one dance a year. Any comments.


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    oh and I think you must be thinking of your own second years. This class is so boring and basic that I am really depressed at the though of having to go, and then the really fast bits are thrown in, but not often enough to make it interesting.


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    so you think I am being picky to say that as they have only learnt one dance in their entire first year of dancing and there are literally loads of other steps that they should have done before this and that they are not goint to practice. drop kicks anyone?? After my first year with this lady I had to educate myself. We don't do any combination work, just drill up and down the room. Last week was the 6th of the term and we ran through the first 20 secs of the routine once.

    And how about the fact that it is one dance a year. Any comments.
    I don't feel I can comment very precisely on your teacher's methodology because obviously I don't know her. However, I can understand your concern.

    To comment very generally some teacher just don't find that teaching choreographies works very well for them and they find that teaching without them works better in terms of breaking down information.

    Up until 18 months ago I had learned 2 class choreographies in 5 years of dancing as all of my teachers up until then used different, more improvisation-focussed methods most of the time.

    My current teacher does use a lot of choreographies but she constructs and teaches them so that they tackle a specific group of moves or combinations and then, when we practice them/learn them they are a self-contained challenge that gets people really tackling those particular aspects of the dance.

    I think that 20 secs of the routine sounds a very minimal amount to practice in order to even begin to get people 'getting it' but obviously I don't know the whole context.

    Other general comments about learning choreographies that I would make are that:

    1) I think, if a teacher is going to use choreographies, then its worth using them to bring up attitudes to practice - for example 'If you were going to perform a dance like this you would need to practice and learn it properly' - which seems obvious but I've met many for whom this is a revelatory concept.

    2) that the ability to learn a dance is a skill in itself which also improves with practice: those who are inexperienced at doing this take much longer to learn.
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    Oh I didn't mean that she does any improvisational teaching at all. Just traipsing up and down the room practising one move at a time. I would love to find someone who uses improv to learn to dance rather than teaching a dance. That just doesn't exist round here, but all the other teachers I have had have at least taught more than one dance.
    This lady teaches one dance and drills movements involved in them. She does not relate the dances to what a dancer needs to know, but teaches what you need to do the dance. It is therefore only too likely that after 2 years a student will have serous gaps in their knowledge of moves. She hasn't changed her warm-up or the music she does it to for at least 3 years.
    there is no syllabus. the moves that are taught at beginner and level one are just those which are necessary to learn the choreo.
    well last week we did a row of camels walking backwards. just the one. We didn't go on to combine them with anything, they were just a whim.
    Apart from them, the only time anything is combined is when practising a snippet from the choreo.
    I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bored!!!
    i should add that last year, I learnt a total of around 12-15 dances, some more thoroughly than others from 2 other teachers, but this is the only class doing any sort of technique I can get at the moment.
    I think I would be better off at home with the dvds before I get put off dancing for life. After finishing beginners 2 years ago, I got some beginner level dvds and was shocked at what I had not been taught to do, so I set out to educate myself.

    The dance now being taught to this latest crop of "Improvers" is extremely fast. It is set to Sabla Tolo, and it dots every i, in the rythmn. It is the dance that she with 12 years experience danced in front of Hossam Ramzy and she is teaching it to a class including women who still need to have their hips held as they move round the room. We are moving at the pace of the slowest and i want to scream. I think I could do the dance, eventually, if I ever get the chance to practice it. (I have been asked by another teacher if I want to perform and to teach eventually.) I do worry about most of the others getting it. They simply have not learnt theability to combine movements
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    In my first two years I learned a new dance every two months for each year, so hmmm 12 dances, and in the third year taking two sometimes three classes per week - separate choreos for each class every two months. Find yourself a new teacher!


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    Re: 4 step camels

    On the original topic -- I think it's an essential move to have in a dancer's vocabulary.

    On the topic we're headed toward: Not every teacher is right for every student, and if a class doesn't make you happy, don't go!

    I'm not criticizing the teacher. I think my own classes cover too much choreo in the first year (one every 6 week session, though one in four sessions is technique only after level one). I'd love to slow down and cover about a dance every 3-6 months (depending on how long/complex it is) and have time for other stuff, but I worry about the students getting bored and I'm committed to keeping them engaged through those early stages.

    But it sounds like you have other options available that suit you better. Maybe you could work on technique in occasional private sessions with the teacher(s) whose technique you like best?
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    On the topic we're headed toward: Not every teacher is right for every student, and if a class doesn't make you happy, don't go!
    Jenc. Its pretty clear that you are unhappy with this class on many levels. Once you get to that stage with any class you are flogging a dead horse. It also sounds like you have some valid concerns about the way that the dance is being taught in this class.

    If you do have any other options, I would urge you to pursue them as much as possible. It also sounds like you need to get yourself to a dance festival/workshops.

    I think I would be better off at home with the dvds before I get put off dancing for life. After finishing beginners 2 years ago, I got some beginner level dvds and was shocked at what I had not been taught to do, so I set out to educate
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    Good for you with the DVD's. I am a keen DVD learner myself and find that although they can never be a substitute for good class tuition I do think that using them alongside regular classes can really help you to get more out of class time.


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    JencUK, are you near London? I'm guessing not since you don't have so many teachers to choose from. But if you are, or can go there, consider contacting Razia for private lessons. She will get your dance spark re-ignited, I'm sure! Razia bellydance Eugene, Oregon belly dance

    Her link says Eugene, Oregon but she has relocated to London, England.
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    Re: 4 step camels

    p.s. Just checked her website and she is in London from now til Feb. 2009, then back to the States. She travels back and forth a lot.


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    Re: 4 step camels

    Thanks everyone. I would be very happy (or happier) to take months over a choreo if we were learning something else, or even if we were spending more time on the choreo.
    unfortunately, I need a technique teacher and I thought this one would not be so bad when teaching at a slightly higher level than beginners.

    believe me, after attending one year of beginners with this teacher, i went back as this seeed my only option. However, I can't stand it and will be leaving.
    it's not because the steps and the dance are too complicated. I stand in front of the mirror for hours working out combinations and hybrid steps. It's the mind-numbing lack of content in the instruction, and the thought that the next 20 classes will be exactly the same as the last one.
    I will have to look further afield for privates, as the ones I had lined up fell through


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