Thread: Dangling 8 on one hip

Originally Posted by jasani

8 = vertical to the wall. - dangling eight
oo = vertical to the wall - bicycle hip. Why? Are bicycle wheels like this 8, or like this oo? Bicycle wheels are verticle , which is to say they are upright or oo. if the bicycle was laying down on the ground, the wheels would be horizontal. Right?

Hope that helps. If you're doing it on a horizontal, it's just a one hip figure 8.

I understand your confusion now. You're thinking that oo is horizontal, Yes it can be done parallel to the floor and on one hip, but that's not the bicycle nor is it the dangling 8.

Oops, yes I used bicycle hip as a reference point for only half the infinity loop! Sorry!

I attempted to draw 3 pictures (in 3-D!) using the provided example, only I turned the person straight instead of diagonal (facing the blue wall, right hip is to the front mirror). Viewed from the ceiling. How's this (I had to cheat the viewing angle just slightly for better interpretation from above)?

Okay, after re-reading your explanation of the bicycle move - yes that's right BUT you're confusing parallel to the floor and parallel to the wall in your explanation.
"Dangle: Right hip goes forward (blue wall/ left front mirror corner), out toward front mirror and follows mirror length to red wall/right front mirror corner, return to neutral and pass through toward rear left blue wall/back mirror, travel left to right along back mirror to rear right corner back mirror/red wall, return to neutral. This is parallel to the floor."

Parallel to the WALL not the floor. A basic figure 8 is parallel to the floor.

Check this video out - at :20, 1:23 and 1:27. She does them really quick but slight. She starts each one with the brush of the toe against the floor.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c7uTeBUuMQ]YouTube - amani jabril[/ame]

Wow, Yaalini....too cool. My standing side 8 (as I described it) is diagram 1. I have no name for 2..but I likes it...and I dont understand the difference between 1 and 3. Wait...looked again and YES I DO!!!! No more head implosions or explosions!!! We have interface!!!

Originally Posted by yaalini

Oops, yes I used bicycle hip as a reference point for only half the infinity loop! Sorry!

I attempted to draw 3 pictures (in 3-D!) using the provided example, only I turned the person straight instead of diagonal (facing the blue wall, right hip is to the front mirror). Viewed from the ceiling. How's this (I had to cheat the viewing angle just slightly for better interpretation from above)?

Yes! Diagram #2 is the dangling 8 as I know it. Good job with the diagrams... I was working on that just now.

What would happen if you stood 2 on it's end? parallel with the front and back mirrors? What shall we call it?

Originally Posted by anala

What would happen if you stood 2 on it's end? parallel with the front and back mirrors? What shall we call it?

Isn't that what 3 is? (I did cheat the angle, it should be straight parallel to the mirror)

Originally Posted by jasani

Lauren, I believe you need to reverse those descriptions...

The dangling 8 draws the figure 8 on a vertical, not horizontal. The bicycle hips are on the horizontal.

Then we use our terminology differently. My dangling 8 is on a (slightly tilted) horizontal plane. I may have misunderstood the original question, of course. Bicycle hips (as Veena and Neena use the term) are an infinity symbol on a vertical plane.

"So you're standing with your weight on one leg...and drawing an 8 parallel to the floor with the unweighted hip."

yes but, with both these moves you are drawing an 8 parallel to the wall, not the floor.

Again, in the move I'm thinking of, as the foot traces the shape the hip follows the foot so the shape is drawn parallel to the floor (but with a slight diagonal). We may not be speaking of the same move, of course.

Nope...pretend you walked up the the eight that is laying on its side in 2, leaned over and grabed the top rim (closest to the front mirror) and pulled it upright so that it became tall. You now are doing an eight on the up and down or verical plane - parallel to the mirrors with the apex of the movement toward the ceiling. Make sense?

Originally Posted by anala

Nope...pretend you walked up the the eight that is laying on its side in 2, leaned over and grabed the top rim (closest to the front mirror) and pulled it upright so that it became tall. You now are doing an eight on the up and down or verical plane - parallel to the mirrors with the apex of the movement toward the ceiling. Make sense?

Ah, gotcha. That is, in fact, what #2 was meant to be - it's slanted so you can see the top but it is straight up and down going floor to ceiling.

I see I needed a fourth drawing, with #2 parallel to the floor (going from mirror to mirror)! ..l;,

How's this?

Originally Posted by anala

Hooked...dont go all geeky on us...it is just a horizontal 8 - done on one hip only - on a diagonal , with your weight on the "off" hip.

Horizontal 8 to me is parallel to the floor, so...

OTOH, trying to do a horizontal 8 on one hip is fun and quite pretty!

I see I needed a fourth drawing, with #2 parallel to the floor (going from mirror to mirror)!

Yes!! So now we have at least 4 variations on an 8 using only one hip. The hardest one for me to apply consistantly is the up and down one, due to simple lack of ever having used it. The horizontal plane (between floor and ceiling) feels much more natural than those that are upright between mirror and mirror.

Okay, so Anala gets it and I still don't. Not fair.
Here is how I am reading this:
bicycle hips will draw an infinity symbol on the wall if you had chalk attached to your hip.

Dangling hip goes out to in with the shape traced on the floor or front to back with the shape traced on the floor?

Linny...there are 4 variations on this move. All I can "tell " you is to look at those 4 drawings real hard. I wish I could utube and I could show you.

one will draw a lazy8 on the mirror, one will draw a lazy8 on the floor, one will draw an upright 8 on the floor one will draw an upright 8 on the mirror. Think only of the point of the hip at a time...do not focus your attention to the opposite side of your body at anytime. The sharp bone at the point of your hip is your pencil, not your hip joint or your booty.

This whole subject has made my mind explode. Ugh!

I retract that...1 and 2 are the same...it the upper body's angle to the mirror that is the difference. Only a very slight difference...but I have now stepped over into geek land....

Originally Posted by anala

I retract that...1 and 2 are the same...it the upper body's angle to the mirror that is the difference. Only a very slight difference...but I have now stepped over into geek land....

Since I failed to number them, I am unsure if you mean the top two or the leftmost two...but they aren't the same - the person is facing the same way for all four moves (straight ahead, facing blue wall). The difference is if you had chalk, the 8 would be on the floor for #1 and on the front mirror for #3 (8 on its side, or infinity loop).

#1: hip goes blue wall, front mirror, red wall, back mirror (side to side)

#2 (top right picture): hip goes down to floor, scoops back to red wall, rises up to ceiling angled to blue wall, scrapes ceiling, back down to neutral (bottom to top)

#3 (bottom left picture): hip goes red wall, slight ceiling, blue wall, slight floor (bicycle hip down, out behind, over on the red wall, then bicycle hip down, out, over on blue wall - pushing forward). (This is side to side, but up and over as opposed to out and around)

#4: (bottom right picture): hip goes front mirror, red wall, back mirror, blue wall (side to side, perpendicular to #1. I think your other hip has to be involved a little bit here)


Upper body hasn't done anything.

Why not call think of it as an anterior-posterior 8?

With most circles/circular movements we have:

1. Horizontal rotation (parallel to floor and ceiling)
2. Vertical rotation (parallel to side walls)
3. Anterior-Posterior rotation (front to back, like a ferris wheel movement.) (Think of that big chest "wheel" or chest circle that looks suspiciously like a cat throwing up a hair ball.)

OMG -- #4 is the CUTEST movement! I don't think I've done that, or if I have, I didn't think of it as an 8. Too cool, Anala!


edited to add:
wait -yes, this is what I learned once as reversing one-hip circles. I feel so stupid now, that I didn't recognize that reversing circles actually equal a Figure 8. DOH!

(where's the facepalm smiley? )

Upper body hasn't done anything.

You are right..my bad. I was going back to the diagonal position in my head.

Now lets have a bit of fun...break some of the 8s in half - front loop up and to the left on the mirror...back loop, down and to the right on the floor...repeat. What do you call that? A sitting side 8?

Dont you love those palm smack / light bulb moments?

Originally Posted by anala

Upper body hasn't done anything.

You are right..my bad. I was going back to the diagonal position in my head.

Now lets have a bit of fun...break some of the 8s in half - front loop up and to the left on the mirror...back loop, down and to the right on the floor...repeat. What do you call that? A sitting side 8?

Interesting...the L maybe (L8 = late, haha)?

That sounds like a neat combo to play with!

I think broken 8s may be the secret to oooey gooey with a purpose!

I hope nobody walks in my office as I sit in my chair moving my butt up, down, backward, forward. . .

They'll just think ya got roids....

Originally Posted by yaalini

Since I failed to number them, I am unsure if you mean the top two or the leftmost two...but they aren't the same - the person is facing the same way for all four moves (straight ahead, facing blue wall). The difference is if you had chalk, the 8 would be on the floor for #1 and on the front mirror for #3 (8 on its side, or infinity loop).

#1: hip goes blue wall, front mirror, red wall, back mirror (side to side)

#2 (top right picture): hip goes down to floor, scoops back to red wall, rises up to ceiling angled to blue wall, scrapes ceiling, back down to neutral (bottom to top)

#3 (bottom left picture): hip goes red wall, slight ceiling, blue wall, slight floor (bicycle hip down, out behind, over on the red wall, then bicycle hip down, out, over on blue wall - pushing forward). (This is side to side, but up and over as opposed to out and around)

#4: (bottom right picture): hip goes front mirror, red wall, back mirror, blue wall (side to side, perpendicular to #1. I think your other hip has to be involved a little bit here)


Upper body hasn't done anything.

I finally get it. I guess I do these all the time but never really thought about them in a technical manner. Weird.

wow. I just did a search on something else and wound up rereading this thread. Four years later, it is still blowing my mind. LOL