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    Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Okay so I have something like 10 miles between my hips and chest, and narrow hips. That's a lot of space to work with. I notice that, for example, Ava Flemming has a long waist, so I know it's possible to make hip movements really strongly visible with a long waist.

    Anybody got some really good oblique exercises that pertain to dance, and/or other hints about really making your movements VISIBLE on a long waist with narrow hips? I feel like I'm working 3 times as hard as someone with wide hips and a short waist...and still coming out with movements that look "watered down" because of my body type.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Try having no hips and a short waist (read no waist, like there is the chest and then the hip bones and not much in between). Things I do--wear poufs at the hips so that the hip work can actually be seen. Wear hip padding. Make hipwork underneath myself instead of trying to get big lateral movements. Internal movements cycling every movement back inside. If I can't make it big I can at least try to make it crisper. Frame hips as much as possible. Choose costuming that makes you look a little wider at the hips. Wear a waist chain to break the long torso up visually.

    Just some ideas.

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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja2 View Post
    Okay so I have something like 10 miles between my hips and chest, and narrow hips. That's a lot of space to work with. I notice that, for example, Ava Flemming has a long waist, so I know it's possible to make hip movements really strongly visible with a long waist.

    Anybody got some really good oblique exercises that pertain to dance, and/or other hints about really making your movements VISIBLE on a long waist with narrow hips? I feel like I'm working 3 times as hard as someone with wide hips and a short waist...and still coming out with movements that look "watered down" because of my body type.
    The Jim Boz's ball thing is great for your obliques. You hold a small ball [like nerf-sized softball-ish] between your knees. Then do hip drops and mayas and vertical figure 8s, etc. When you drop the ball- you're using your knees instead of your obliques. It's great because you have immediate reinforcement - you know exactly when it's right or wrong. When it's easy, do it with level changes or shimmies.

    For maximizing the look - you might try wearing a slightly thicker belt or little extra bobbles at the hips so you see more movement. I'm rather stick shaped, and wearing a skirt that you can tuck into your belt [very old Am Cab] definitely shows off your hip movements. Or even just a hip scarf tied at an angle or in the little crook at the front edge of your pelvis (not sure that's clear - but it looks better than having the hip scarf knot actually on your hip)- and the diagonal shape draws attention to the hip moving.

    Or just wear 10 lbs of fringe!!


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Thank you for the "boz-ball" tip!!! And the waist chain is a great idea too!! Thanks!!!


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Sonja, I have a long waist too. I always wondered why my movements seemed "watered down" (perfect descripton by the way) and now I know. (I mean, it couldn't be my skill level or anything ;P )

    I wear a veil around my skirt and poof it on each side. It really makes a difference. As for exercises, maya maya maya and do the section in Aziza's dvd ( I know you said you recently bought it) where she is doing hips up and out to each of the "Medula points" haha, can't remember what she called those points, but I have strengthend (and actually defined) my obliques using this drill. Especially the up and out form (versus the out, up and in kind) Reverse camels too. Anything that loosens up the pelvic area. Good luck


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    I'm 5'9" and also have a very long waist. First, I'd say recognize that not all movements will work on your body. Shorter dancers can get away with very quick stuff and not many tall dancers can (we've got further distances to travel).

    Second, in addition to everyone's advice, stand in a doorway when practicing your mayas, slides, scoops and 8's. Try to reach the door frame with your hips while maintaining your posture.

    Third, I agree with Bella about costuming. In addition to 'plumping' your hips, wear your skirts high enough to make it seem your waist is shorter.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    If you wear your skirt at your real waist, is that the BD equivalent of high rise mommy jeans/nerd-wheres-the-flood-pants?

    Is it in fact, POSSIBLE, to make a belly dancer look like a nerd? [just fun, here, not referring to one's physical looks :)


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    haha, a BD nerd! now i know what im going to be for halloween, thanks bella!


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Experiment with different costume styles that highlight your figure in different ways. A slight V in your belt visually pulls in a waist, or a straight belt with full skirts does the same thing. Esp if you're tall mermaid skirts a great for accentuating the curve of your hip and breaking up length. I don't think wearing your skirts higher is the solution. But do experiment with different heights and shapes. I don't restrict myself to one single style, but I try to find styles of costumes that show my figure to advantage in different ways.

    For movements. As Karim Nagi once said to me "USE your height." Use your length to your advantage. We can get away with really big hip moves. Don't be afraid to take up space, extend your arms, explore the stretch in your back and hips to move in and out of the frame of your body.
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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by BELLA_BELLA View Post
    If you wear your skirt at your real waist, is that the BD equivalent of high rise mommy jeans/nerd-wheres-the-flood-pants?

    Is it in fact, POSSIBLE, to make a belly dancer look like a nerd? [just fun, here, not referring to one's physical looks :)
    OMG, I think that would qualify as a BD nerd ..l;,

    I wear mine about and inch, inch and a half below my belly button. Gives the illusion of nice long legs and a proportionate waist.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    PEOPLE. I have a long torso, and have always considered it a blessing! I'm surprised that so many people consider it a thing to be overcome??

    we have a much wider and deeper range of motion in our hips and torsos than shorter waisted dancers. we have amazing reach for our hip slides and mayas. we can draw our hip lifts far up under our ribs and have enough torso left over to stay gracefully erect and tall through the body. our big dina-style hip circles are endless. we have more available real estate to play with as we let shimmies stay concentrated in our hips or travel up our bodies.

    my long torso is my favorite thing about my figure. :) especially for dancing.

    costume-wise, I would never wear a costume high to make my waist look shorter. why?? go with what looks good on you individually. I personally have a round tummy, so I only wear costumes that have a dip in the front or to one side. I wear the belt/skirt higher or lower depending on the design (my emans fit higher, my great loops, lower). I prefer mermaid cut skirts to full or straight. but that's all just my personal preference.

    a great exercise that has helped to sculpt my waist (my waist has thickened a bit after having two kids) is to do hip slides, horizontally on the floor: lay on your side, ideally in front of a mirror so you can see what you're doing. top leg is long and that foot is on the ground; bottom leg is bent at the knee. prop yourself up on your bottom elbow; be sure that your body is a straight line up your leg through your rib cage. now, keeping your ribs in place, slide your hips up and down. the hard part is keeping your ribs still so it's a true slide and not your whole torso bowing/curving in a C up and down. the up part is easy; I imagine a hand supporting my ribs (almost pushing them up) as I slide the hip down. no cheating. ;) I bless my instructor nalini for making us all do this move.

    hooked - aziza calls them joumana points, named after a dancer in portland.

    oh - and long torsos can be great during pregnancy. my babies always had plenty of room - no heartburn or waddling for me! :)


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    I'm with Elisa - so many great BDers have long torsos and short, thick, strong legs. Those of us with long legs and a high waist are often struggling to create the same long lovely look.

    In my experience women with long legs and proportionately narrow hips often have luscious bottoms and/or all their width is right down at the "saddlebag" spot, which means circle skirts look fantastic on you. Circle skirts tend to make me look squat because I actually go in at the hip joint and there's nothing to hold the skirt out. Mayas look amazing on the long and lean. All the dancers I admire most tend to be long torsoed - look at Cassandra.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by elisagamal View Post
    PEOPLE. I have a long torso, and have always considered it a blessing! I'm surprised that so many people consider it a thing to be overcome??

    we have a much wider and deeper range of motion in our hips and torsos than shorter waisted dancers. we have amazing reach for our hip slides and mayas. we can draw our hip lifts far up under our ribs and have enough torso left over to stay gracefully erect and tall through the body. our big dina-style hip circles are endless. we have more available real estate to play with as we let shimmies stay concentrated in our hips or travel up our bodies.

    my long torso is my favorite thing about my figure. :) especially for dancing.

    costume-wise, I would never wear a costume high to make my waist look shorter. why?? go with what looks good on you individually. I personally have a round tummy, so I only wear costumes that have a dip in the front or to one side. I wear the belt/skirt higher or lower depending on the design (my emans fit higher, my great loops, lower). I prefer mermaid cut skirts to full or straight. but that's all just my personal preference.

    a great exercise that has helped to sculpt my waist (my waist has thickened a bit after having two kids) is to do hip slides, horizontally on the floor: lay on your side, ideally in front of a mirror so you can see what you're doing. top leg is long and that foot is on the ground; bottom leg is bent at the knee. prop yourself up on your bottom elbow; be sure that your body is a straight line up your leg through your rib cage. now, keeping your ribs in place, slide your hips up and down. the hard part is keeping your ribs still so it's a true slide and not your whole torso bowing/curving in a C up and down. the up part is easy; I imagine a hand supporting my ribs (almost pushing them up) as I slide the hip down. no cheating. ;) I bless my instructor nalini for making us all do this move.
    I totally don't understand the move after propping myself on my bottom elbow.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by elisagamal View Post
    PEOPLE. I have a long torso, and have always considered it a blessing! I'm surprised that so many people consider it a thing to be overcome??
    I didn't read her post as it being something to overcome. Sounded like Sonja's simply trying to find more ways to accentuate her moves.

    And Sonja, did you see the pic of Ava on her website? Ava Fleming: Performer, Choreographer & Instructor

    That's where I think costumes look best for long-waisted, small-hipped gals. A lot of gals look good with costumes lower than this, but they usually have hips to balance out or they have a tummy that needs room.

    The photo in her gallery with the sword looks too low IMO. I focus a lot more on her torso than I do on her hips. Does that make sense?


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Here are some other photos to ponder as well: GALLERY

    Though a couple of those are a bit higher than I personally prefer.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Thanks Malia! I will look at those photos! And I do love my long waist, I just want to make my pops and locks stronger and more visible.


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    I love my long torso! I think mayas are one of my favorite movements to do, because they look so big and exaggerated.

    Your teal Bella (the one that you got from Yazeena that you are possibly trading) has one feature that is great for us long-torso'ed gals. That long looped fringe that starts in the center of the bra and then drapes around to the back is a look that we can pull off really well, but shorter-waisted dancers can't get away with it as easily. I think that particular costume feature really nips in the natural waist, and adds some visual interest to all that "blank canvas" that we have between our chest and our hips. :) This costume of mine has the same feature:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...urnal/04-1.jpg


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Random question: How do you know if you have a long torso? I think I do, but is there an actual measurement? I know I have long legs and arms as well....

    So, I always have plumbers crack...like always (even in costumes! .w.:), because I hate things that ride up on my waist. Is it because I have a long torso or a long butt crack? Discuss. ..l;,


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by maliaraqs View Post
    Here are some other photos to ponder as well: GALLERY

    Though a couple of those are a bit higher than I personally prefer.
    That white dress she's wearing (on the right) is SMOKIN'!!!


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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by andalee-oriental View Post
    Random question: How do you know if you have a long torso? I think I do, but is there an actual measurement? I know I have long legs and arms as well....

    So, I always have plumbers crack...like always (even in costumes! .w.:), because I hate things that ride up on my waist. Is it because I have a long torso or a long butt crack? Discuss. ..l;,
    For starters, if you buy untailored shirts and feel like you're constantly pulling them down to prevent them from showing your belly. If 'low-rise' jeans are completely out of the question because you'd have to shave to get into them. I think I read somewhere that if you measure longer than 14 inches from bustline to hips you're long-torso-d.

    As for the cossies, wear them an inch higher and order the skirts an inch longer.
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    Re: Long-waisted women...maximizing the space?

    Quote Originally Posted by nimah View Post
    I love my long torso! I think mayas are one of my favorite movements to do, because they look so big and exaggerated.

    Your teal Bella (the one that you got from Yazeena that you are possibly trading) has one feature that is great for us long-torso'ed gals. That long looped fringe that starts in the center of the bra and then drapes around to the back is a look that we can pull off really well, but shorter-waisted dancers can't get away with it as easily. I think that particular costume feature really nips in the natural waist, and adds some visual interest to all that "blank canvas" that we have between our chest and our hips. :) This costume of mine has the same feature:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...urnal/04-1.jpg
    I LOVE that costume on you! It's gorgeous. And mayas and undulations are my two favorite moves to do for the same reason


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