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    Choreography Videos for you students

    A question for the instructors. When you teach a choreography, do you make a video for your students? Do you charge extra? How much?


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    I made one once and I wish I had time to do it again. I made a rough video for my student troupe and I posted it on YouTube as a private video. I gave them all the link and they all found it tremendously helpful!


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    No. I've taken to posting a YT clip of me dancing the choreo with my back to the camera, so they have the same view of me as they do in class. That's way much less work for me. I make the clip downloadable for phones, as some students have told me that's one way that they learn the routine.

    I always remind students that I would prefer it if they didn't share those class clips. I have a separate YT channel for my class clips, and if they want to show their friends their awesome teacher (lol) then they can show off my main channel
    (YouTube - BeaFarhana's Channel, just in case you wanted to check!) rather than the class one.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    I just uploaded my latest routine to youtube. I didn't separate it out or make it private, but I may do that in the future if I discover any issues.

    I do intend to keep doing this in the future. I think it's tremendously helpful to my students.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    I haven't made a video for my students but I do encourage them to bring in a camera with them to class if they want then they can film me talking through the routine once, dancing it through with verbal cues and then dancing it through at the end of class. Saves me the hassle of fighting with trying to make copies consider I have yet to find a program that works well and doesn't take 50 zillon hoops to jump through with any freaking camera I have. All I ask is that they don't put it on the net or make copies for non-class mates.
    When we did our student recital they were all practicing in the green room to the video one of the gals took and was playing on her laptop while I was running around like a headless chicken. They said it was great to use the video to warm up for the show.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    I've come to the conclusion that they don't learn as well if they have a video. They'll follow along at home, just like they follow along in class, and never really do the mental work of learning 'what comes next.'

    I do offer written notes available for download, but in the higher levels I don't even want to do that any more. Some of my students are much too dependent on it and I feel like the higher level students should be taking their own notes and developing their memory and use of music-based cuing.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    i post on youtube as a private video, but only near the very end of the class series. we tape it in class and me and them are on it.
    i also sometimes allow them to tape themselves/me and sort it out between themselves to copy/share with each others.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren_ View Post
    I've come to the conclusion that they don't learn as well if they have a video. They'll follow along at home, just like they follow along in class, and never really do the mental work of learning 'what comes next.'
    As a student, i have to disagree (well, speaking for myself anyhoo).
    a vid of the choreo, or steps so far, or combos, or whatnot, definitely help me. be it to identify moves i forgot; or sometimes precise timing of some moves to the music; and generally, things about my dancing. ideally, i'd like to have 2 'versions': one of the teacher doing it (so i know what i'm seeing is being done correctly) and one of myself so i can see myself doing it and see what's good, what's not in the move combinations, but also general dancing (looking down, not shimmying hard enough, such and such). of course it's rarely possible to get both, so i usually just try to get the 'teacher' version so i have a full correct version for memory help.
    but, personally, i rarely, if ever, use it as 'follow along'.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    lauren, if you film it from the front, they can use it for memory, but not for following along?


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathiya View Post
    A and one of myself so i can see myself doing it and see what's good, what's not in the move combinations, but also general dancing (looking down, not shimmying hard enough, such and such).
    This is hugely valuable. I do videotape students in class for this reason.

    My students are very different from your typical Bhuzzer. For one thing, 95% of them will spend 0% of their time outside of class reading about ME dance on the internet. ..l;,

    They are recreational students, which is just fine with me and I'm happy to provide them with a joyful experience. But when they also want to perform, and charge me with responsibility ("please don't let me go out there and look like an idiot, Lauren") I have to push them sometimes and take away opportunities to 'cheat.' In class, I've discovered that about half of my students won't even TRY to memorize the choreography until the day I have them all face away from the mirror. And several of them will NEVER EVER practice at home unless I tell them they're going to have to audition the choreo in class by themselves in order to perform.

    If I had a classroom full of Bhuzzers, I'd be able to assume a very different level of committment and self-directed learning from them.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    p.s. I used to have a very hardworking student who had memory issues due to Fibromyalgia. She asked to be allowed to videotape in class and I had no problem with that.

    None of the other students has ever asked. I would allow them to do it if it suited their learning style. But I need them to take responsibiity for it because I really believe handing it to them reduces their level of investment and committment.

    Just my experience with my particular group of lovable problem children. ;)


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    this is my class choreo channel. most of the video's on there are private, but i sometimes end up making them public
    YouTube - buikdansleuven's Channel


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    I do provide notes as we go along but was thinking of doing video now that we are done and have moved on so they don't forget the dance. They can all do it in class without me leading them. I would like to have the video for myself anyway. I like the private class channel on youtube.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    I make demo DVDs for my students and charge a nominal fee to cover Mr. Latifa's editing and copying time. My students find these valuable -- and so do I, since it helps me easily relearn a choreography if I want to teach it years later. I do about 30 choreographies a year, so my brain doesn't retain them all...
    ..c::

    I would prefer not to put these on youtube. They could easily be uploaded as public videos, but I don't really want to have the general public see me in practice clothes. Also don't want to have to make sure everyone is invited to see a private video. So for me, it's much easier to just shoot the choreographies and provide the DVDs to anyone willing to purchase them.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    Quote Originally Posted by bintbeled View Post
    So for me, it's much easier to just shoot the choreographies and provide the DVDs to anyone willing to purchase them.
    I've considered doing this with my lower level choreos. The beginning level students can use the help, I don't expect them to have much choreo learning skill for the first two years or so. I don't want to mess with a private channel, either, and maybe I'm being stingy but -- though I love being helpful to my students -- I also don't want to give away any more of my time and effort than I'm already giving away. Creating and duplicating videos is time consuming and expensive.

    I also find that the more I do for my students, the more they expect from me. In my early days as a teacher I used to bring in a big box of my costumes for my students to wear for recitals. Until once, at a hafla, I was wearing my brand-new Pharonics for the first time and a student said "That's pretty, I can't wait to borrow it!" I hadn't even danced in it myself yet.

    I once had a student who's been with me for over 6 years tell me the reason she had NEVER practiced our choreo at home -- one we'd been working on for nearly 6 months and were performing in a matter of weeks -- was because I hadn't provided her with written notes. (which I had, online, but she didn't look at the site).

    For years I always offered to meet my students and carpool to events -- 10 years later most of them have never been ANYWHERE I didn't personally escort them. If I can't/don't attend a particular class or show, neither will they. I've learned the hard way to toughen up and not encourage dependence, for THEIR sakes as well as my sanity.

    Sorry, didn't mean this to come out as a personal vent!! I just feel like I'm being the big meanie on this thread, so I'm trying to explain my POV a little.
    Last edited by Lauren_; 04-29-2010 at 01:41 PM.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    My teacher makes a video and posts it either on her site or her youtube channel so we can use it for practise and she writes out the choreo too. Video is so helpful when you don't fully understand or have forgotten the written steps; if I get stuck on a move or a transition then I don't have to wait until next class, I can just watch the video. My teacher doesn't charge extra for this; but this is very small market with students dancing predominately for fun, not to become professional, so it is really up to each student to practise if they want to or not. We don't have public recitals or anything so there really isn't any pressure.

    However, when it comes to troupe and performance, we have each committed to practising on our own and as we don't want to let each other down, we do make a sincere effort to get in our practise time between meetings. We also use video on ourselves to see where we need to work on our timing and/or technique. Seeing is believing; last year we had a troupe member who was clearly not practising much at home; it was very evident on the video, (she dropped out before the show). And I can't even watch the very first video we made, OMG was I HORRIBLE!!! When I think of the first video we made and then watch our performance video I am amazed at my, (our), accomplishment and inspired to practise. Speaking of which, I should get off bhuz and work on those crazy spins for our new choreo. Damn spins, and I don't have the video!!!


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    about the practice clothes, well, i used to think that too, but than i realised, well, what i'm "selling" most of the time, is classes and "artemisia the fun workshop instructor", more or at least just as much than "artemisia superstah performer", lol. people book you for workshops, they wanna see your teaching material. so i figured it wouldnt hurt having a couple more "teacher-y" things online...

    with shooting it and putting it on dvd, do you also not fear the music right issue? i feel less bothered about that for a youtube clip than for a dvd i sell. i wouldnt want to sell anything unless i had permission.

    Quote Originally Posted by bintbeled View Post

    I would prefer not to put these on youtube. They could easily be uploaded as public videos, but I don't really want to have the general public see me in practice clothes. Also don't want to have to make sure everyone is invited to see a private video. So for me, it's much easier to just shoot the choreographies and provide the DVDs to anyone willing to purchase them.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    you are totally right. i try to create independence. although it means letting go. i've had a group of girls practice a choreo ON THEIR OWN, they choose the costumes themselves (with some guidelines), and i looked at the end result to give a few, very few pointers, and the choreography was from a guest workshop instructopr (hello meissoun), not my own, they rented the studio themselves, choose a few rehearsal dates themselves. it was THEM. i like it when they become independent like that; I love facebook for allowing them to interact amongst themsevels easily, which also means they end up going to shows/workshops etc. I encourage it a little (who wants to come to such and such show, but then i leave it up to them to organise the ticket buying carpooling etc etc. and they do it!

    i think you are right lauren, you DONT do them a favour by spooning it in, they need to learn to work and to discover.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren_ View Post
    I've considered doing this with my lower level choreos. The beginning level students can use the help, I don't expect them to have much choreo learning skill for the first two years or so. I don't want to mess with a private channel, either, and maybe I'm being stingy but -- though I love being helpful to my students -- I also don't want to give away any more of my time and effort than I'm already giving away. Creating and duplicating videos is time consuming and expensive.

    I also find that the more I do for my students, the more they expect from me. In my early days as a teacher I used to bring in a big box of my costumes for my students to wear for recitals. Until once, at a hafla, I was wearing my brand-new Pharonics for the first time and a student said "That's pretty, I can't wait to borrow it!" I hadn't even danced in it myself yet.

    I once had a student who's been with me for over 6 years tell me the reason she had NEVER practiced our choreo at home -- one we'd been working on for nearly 6 months and were performing in a matter of weeks -- was because I hadn't provided her with written notes. (which I had, online, but she didn't look at the site).

    For years I always offered to meet my students and carpool to events -- 10 years later most of them have never been ANYWHERE I didn't personally escort them. If I can't/don't attend a particular class or show, neither will they. I've learned the hard way to toughen up and not encourage dependence, for THEIR sakes as well as my sanity.

    Sorry, didn't mean this to come out as a personal vent!! I just feel like I'm being the big meanie on this thread, so I'm trying to explain my POV a little.


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    Re: Choreography Videos for you students

    Quote Originally Posted by andalee-oriental View Post
    I made one once and I wish I had time to do it again. I made a rough video for my student troupe and I posted it on YouTube as a private video. I gave them all the link and they all found it tremendously helpful!
    ditto.
    nothing fancy - filmed from behind so you got both a back and mirror view.
    my students like being able to "follow the bouncing veil" at home when they can't remember parts.

    secondly - it helps ME to remember details of a choreo from past sessions in case I want to use them again.
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