Thread: help for client in vista calif. near san diego

she is looking for a teacher of the stlye we teach here in fresno. i went into shira...but can not find anything.
help ?
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What style would that be? Has she watched Jim Boz? REgardless of style, he's an awesome teacher, dancer and musician.

Originally Posted by BELLA_BELLA

What style would that be? Has she watched Jim Boz? REgardless of style, he's an awesome teacher, dancer and musician.

she is a fan of mine. wanted old school , close to what i do. i did tell her my SKYPE set up is being updated.

Originally Posted by BELLA_BELLA

What style would that be? Has she watched Jim Boz? REgardless of style, he's an awesome teacher, dancer and musician.

we came back because this got us wondering. fotia just took a workshop with boz...but she made no mention of floor, veil....but you suggested him.
i have only seen him do drum solo , zills, and the butt thing.,..fotia spoke of his many skills, but old school was not in what she spoke of.once again we have learned from bhuz...we had thought he was egyptian only. thanks !

according to fotia, we only have zills in common .

i would say cory's still is classic american restaurant. zills stay on, veil, floorwork, props, the whole enchilada. isn't dilek in san diego? she might be similar enough to cory's style.

"classic american restaurant "..ah,..ok..i have NEVER heard this term as a GOOD thing.....only as a put down, "oh she is JUST a resturant dancer"
learn something new everyday i guess.
i really do not think most even know the origins of middle eastern dance brought here in the 1960's by those who taught us...they had not been here that long to be called americans yet , lol . cute.
thanks i guess..hope so !

emtink, if you called me an American restaurant dancer I'd be insulted.

Or "Amcab," so forth.

Zamora and I both worked primarily with and for M.E. communities and we have also done a lot of cultural events, theatrical performances, etc etc etc BESIDES performing professionally in restaurants and clubs since about the Middle Ages.

Beyond that, people like us have developed our own styles, we are not people who should be pigeon-holed like that. We think of the dance as an art, we did not learn primarily or exclusively from Americans - rather more from Middle Eastern people including our musicians and our fellow dancers. Example most of the women I worked with were Turkish, some were Greek, a few were European and a few were indeed American, a few were from the Arab world, some had studied with Rom people, etc - but like us they studied hard and took the art very seriously.

I suppose if there is a characteristic of American dancers of our era, it's that we had to learn SEVERAL forms of Middle Eastern music/dance not just one.

So, in this respect, we are definitely American - kind of like the rest of America, we reflect a melting pot of immigrants.

Personally I think this is a strength, not a weakness. We worked with musicians, also, who could work with Greeks, Turks, Jews, Roma people, Egyptians, people from all over the Arab world, Persians, Israelis, people from the Balkans and the Soviet Union with its huge, oriental carpet of cultures.

Out of all this, we developed unique personal styles and those of us who are still performing and teaching continue to develop as artists.

I hope you'll think about this?

Thank you.

Fotia also said that Jim Boz does raqs sharqi but he does not resemble Cory. He is a terrific dancer but he is more modern. Cory is old school, that much is obvious when you watch her, and while the Boz is an awesome raqs sharqi dancer, their styles are very different.

Originally Posted by Elibelinde

emtink, if you called me an American restaurant dancer I'd be insulted.

Or "Amcab," so forth.

Zamora and I both worked primarily with and for M.E. communities and we have also done a lot of cultural events, theatrical performances, etc etc etc BESIDES performing professionally in restaurants and clubs since about the Middle Ages.

Beyond that, people like us have developed our own styles, we are not people who should be pigeon-holed like that. We think of the dance as an art, we did not learn primarily or exclusively from Americans - rather more from Middle Eastern people including our musicians and our fellow dancers. Example most of the women I worked with were Turkish, some were Greek, a few were European and a few were indeed American, a few were from the Arab world, some had studied with Rom people, etc - but like us they studied hard and took the art very seriously.

I suppose if there is a characteristic of American dancers of our era, it's that we had to learn SEVERAL forms of Middle Eastern music/dance not just one.

So, in this respect, we are definitely American - kind of like the rest of America, we reflect a melting pot of immigrants.

Personally I think this is a strength, not a weakness. We worked with musicians, also, who could work with Greeks, Turks, Jews, Roma people, Egyptians, people from all over the Arab world, Persians, Israelis, people from the Balkans and the Soviet Union with its huge, oriental carpet of cultures.

Out of all this, we developed unique personal styles and those of us who are still performing and teaching continue to develop as artists.

I hope you'll think about this?

Thank you.

i did not mean to insult anyone. i love cory. i love cory's style. i was throwing out another name for this style that gets used in my area.

i've never used the term 'restaurant dancer' as an insult. on the contrary, restaurant work is rare in my area, and usually only the best dancers get those gigs.

so, just trying to be helpful. i'll step out now.

Dilek does Turkish style belly dance. Sabrina may also be a lead, although her style is more Egyptian based. I agree that Jim is probably less like Cory than what her student is looking for. Also, is Aziza Sa'id teaching? I believe that style wise she would fit and, if I recall correctly, she has moved to Carlsbad which is close to Vista.

Oh, and I call Cory's style American Cabaret when I talk about it. Shorthand when I write is AmCab.

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Originally Posted by emtink

i did not mean to insult anyone. i love cory. i love cory's style. i was throwing out another name for this style that gets used in my area.

i've never used the term 'restaurant dancer' as an insult. on the contrary, restaurant work is rare in my area, and usually only the best dancers get those gigs.

so, just trying to be helpful. i'll step out now.

fotia and sophia said i better get back over here!..ok, and this might start something else..but i am honest.
..in fresno, we get "oh, she is JUST a caberet dancer " or "oh, she JUST a resturant dancer" from 1 ameriacn tribal fusion group. i did a birthday party once and 2 from the group were guests, they turned in their seats ..i saw their backs for 30 min. they told my client as i was getting paid what i was "JUST"...hey, i got paid..so, i guess i'm not that bad! lololol
thanks emtink!...since it was from you, i KNEW it MUST mean something else elsewhere.
i am sincerely happy that it is just a local insult!

I am currently studing egytpian tech. But my first teacher was american carberet and i can teacher her 60-70 american caberet: zills,floorwork,veil,belly rolls, all the am cab chest movements and hip movements. My first teacher got alot of inspiration from delilah, i have taken workshops with her aswell. I am currently teaching egytpian but she is more then welcome to take privates with me. i work at an Armenian rest called the Armenian cafe were in the summer i perform with John B. and for my performances there i play zills and wrap my veil around me old school. because he likes the look of the 60's 70's bellydancer. old school costumes and coins. I perform in Carlbad it is right next to vista if she would like to come and see me dance. i will be there every friday this month. except for the 22nd she can also check my schedule. Nadirah Classy and Unique San Diego Based Belly Dancer I do all props sword, candles ,veils , you name it.

Originally Posted by EternalStudent

Fotia also said that Jim Boz does raqs sharqi but he does not resemble Cory. He is a terrific dancer but he is more modern. Cory is old school, that much is obvious when you watch her, and while the Boz is an awesome raqs sharqi dancer, their styles are very different.

dancers are creative beings and i do not feel we should limit our selves or have others limit us. I think as the student you need to talk with the teacher and see if that person can offer you what you are looking for. also no one will look like cory becuase she is her own unique being. we can learn the same moves but it will look differnt on all of us and the way we express dance will look differnt on all of us becuase we have our own feeling,streghth and body type. for the people that copy they are coping dance not feeling dance. she needs to find some one with the same or similar technique but then create her own dance.

Originally Posted by tahiradancer

Dilek does Turkish style belly dance. Sabrina may also be a lead, although her style is more Egyptian based. I agree that Jim is probably less like Cory than what her student is looking for. Also, is Aziza Sa'id teaching? I believe that style wise she would fit and, if I recall correctly, she has moved to Carlsbad which is close to Vista.

Oh, and I call Cory's style American Cabaret when I talk about it. Shorthand when I write is AmCab.

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WHY? She is more than that - cabaret is about entertainment - popular art - specifically geared, one would think from the designation "American Cabaret" to an American audience and the last couple of decades, using modern, Westernized music.

Frequently, also, "cabaret" focuses on being cute, flirtatious and sexy. It is kind of the nature of the beast.

Call us that and you might get bitten, seriously. We could *act* that way but it isn't who we are, it doesn't express our art at all.

This "amcab" designation makes no sense, it lumps people with wings, rock music, Vegas stuff and even burlesque together with old school dancers who worked with Middle Eastern communities, often becoming part of them -

and especially it doesn't make sense when applied to people who have continued to evolve over decades, develop their art, work on an emotional and even at times a spiritual level that completely transcends the entertainment realm.

This includes people who have studied many types of Middle Eastern music and cultures, who may be from one of many ME cultures themselves, ie grew up the music etc as in my case, or who married into a ME community as in Cory's case; who performed primarily for ME audiences and with ME musicians and other ME performers -

and who additionally have worked hard to learn music and art from Spain to India.

"Amcab" is an insult in that context. With respect.

Originally Posted by PrincessNadirah

dancers are creative beings and i do not feel we should limit our selves or have others limit us. I think as the student you need to talk with the teacher and see if that person can offer you what you are looking for. also no one will look like cory becuase she is her own unique being. we can learn the same moves but it will look differnt on all of us and the way we express dance will look differnt on all of us becuase we have our own feeling,streghth and body type. for the people that copy they are coping dance not feeling dance. she needs to find some one with the same or similar technique but then create her own dance.

you sound like a teacher she should find! i have wored with john b as well....so, you DO get it!

Originally Posted by Elibelinde

WHY? She is more than that - cabaret is about entertainment - popular art - specifically geared, one would think from the designation "American Cabaret" to an American audience and the last couple of decades, using modern, Westernized music.

Frequently, also, "cabaret" focuses on being cute, flirtatious and sexy. It is kind of the nature of the beast.

Call us that and you might get bitten, seriously. We could *act* that way but it isn't who we are, it doesn't express our art at all.

This "amcab" designation makes no sense, it lumps people with wings, rock music, Vegas stuff and even burlesque together with old school dancers who worked with Middle Eastern communities, often becoming part of them -

and especially it doesn't make sense when applied to people who have continued to evolve over decades, develop their art, work on an emotional and even at times a spiritual level that completely transcends the entertainment realm.

This includes people who have studied many types of Middle Eastern music and cultures, who may be from one of many ME cultures themselves, ie grew up the music etc as in my case, or who married into a ME community as in Cory's case; who performed primarily for ME audiences and with ME musicians and other ME performers -

and who additionally have worked hard to learn music and art from Spain to India.

"Amcab" is an insult in that context. With respect.

oh soph..it is very very clear, that in the last 20 years or so, the history has not been taught.no, caberet is NOT for american /white gp. it was taught to us by immigrants so they could be "at home" in their own neighborhoods, resturants.

I'm not insulted by the term AmCab or American Cabaret, because this is what I have seen most people are referring to when they use it:

The term is applied to the style of bellydance that was originally done in the old 1960's and 70's clubs where, yes, it was the grannies and aunties from "over there" showing the dancers what they wanted and there were a wonderful melting pot of musicians (Turkish, Greek, Armenian, etc.) who got along together here (in America).

Those early dancers did develop a style that included veil (per the tablecloth example Cory gives, lol), zills, etc., and more often than not, a 5-part routine.

These were "clubs" that served food, with an atmosphere that was family-friendly. And within a short time, there sprouted up some more "cabaret"-like Middle Eastern club/restaurants (often more adult and less family-oriented), in North Beach, for example, but the same genre of dance was the rule.

Most American patrons of these early restaurant clubs came to view this type of dance as classic belly dance, and that impression still holds true for most. This classic style that was created with the influence of those from "over there" became the standard style that people in America expect to see in a Middle-Eastern restaurant, club, or "cabaret" (a term not really used in America where it doesn't have the negative or sleazy connotations it has in some countries as pictured, for example, in the movie "Cabaret.") In fact, to most in America, it more often connotes the idea of an upscale and perhaps even glamorous old-style club with entertainment and music.

Hence the term American Cabaret - yes, it's a misnomer for a dance with a Middle Eastern heritage, but in most cases its use is not meant as an insult.

-Devora

So correct me if I am wrong, in the 50's, 60's, etc people didn't also learn to dance from the immigrants and do the whole melting pot so they could dance in Arabic clubs and restaurants? That an entire style - mainly the 5 part set - wasn't something which was part of the Arabic Cabaret / Night Club scene at that time? I'm really confused now because that is what I was taught by several of my teachers here who were dancing back in the day.

American Cabaret, I was always told, was what dancers in that era did. In fact, i believe that many well respected dancers from that time period, still use that designation. Correct me if I am wrong. I am talking about Delilah, Anaheed, and a few others. I know Morocco doesn't like the term and calls this style Vintage Oriental. Problems that I see are this: Vintage Oriental suggests Turkish, and not everyone I know who dances this style dances Turkish, and I dance this amalgamation style and, I'm not vintage. American Cabaret to my understanding, is really a better fit.

Eli - you took a sharp turn with the title not applying. There has to be a starting point somewhere so that you can have a conversation. I fully admit, some people transcend the title, the definition. But I have heard people who have studied with Cory call what she does old school AmCab. it's not meant as an insult. It's meant as a way of being able to relate to the subject matter. To me, and many other people, it simply means that she and others have a style which, as stated above, is an amalgamation of style learned from immigrants and put together and developed into it's own unique style. Floor work, veil, etc. are considered to be hallmarks of AmCab.

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Hi Cory, your friend is welcome to try my class. I'd be honored to have one of your dancers in class!

We work on everything from classics to modern. Turkish, Egyptian, Lebanese, Iraqi, Khaleeji, Greek, zills, etc. My goal is to train well rounded dancers :)
Sabrina Belly Dancer - Belly Dance Classes in San Diego, California
She can email with questions: sabrinabellydancer at gmail dot com

I dont sign in to bhuz often, but I just saw my name mentioned, thank you for thinking of me!

little bit about me just in case if anyone would be interested, but I am far from Vista anyways. I teach private solo, semi solo, workshops and my own weekly classes in my own studio.

My style is not limited to only Turkish but also Roman, Egyptian, Turkish folkloric, Lebanese, even fusion. I do use various of props and teach workshops in those, also my zill technique is based on Jamila and Suhaila Salimpour, which I use extensively and also teach as well.

I am trained with many local dancers, then explored to outside that is how I found myself and my own style....Egyptian/Turkish and American teachers grow up in 40s and on...and trained in those styles. Jamila Salimpour and Suhaila Salimpour just to count those lived in the US in that era.
I am trained in Turkish style not only by growing up in the country and watching/listening to music but also exposed to that style later on.

what I teach to beginners is technique then style if they like to learn that style of dance, without proper base I dont teach style.