Thread: Didem so much improved - isn't it "Arabized" style?!

Originally Posted by missanime

I couldn't have said this better myself, Fotia! Maturity, wisdom and experience comes from the individual themselves and whether choose it or not.

:D

That's true, but you don't actually figure that out till you're older. When I was 20 I knew EVERYTHING OMG and I had SUFFERED PAIN AND ANGST. Only when you're older do you figure out whether that was really true and whether you were "complete" then or just beginning.

And you can't tell dancers who are 25 this. Well, you can, but they will not hear you. When they're 40, 50, 60, they'll usually be able to look back and go, uh, yeah, I get it now. It's not just a matter of who suffered most or who had babies or didn't or learning all the right movements and musicality. It's a hard to describe thing, like the peak ripeness of a fruit or how something tastes richer when it's been cooked a little longer. Someone who is really fantastic at 25 or 30, if it's at a musicality/emotional level, is going to be freaking phenomenal when they are 50.

Originally Posted by zumarrad

That's true, but you don't actually figure that out till you're older. When I was 20 I knew EVERYTHING OMG and I had SUFFERED PAIN AND ANGST. Only when you're older do you figure out whether that was really true and whether you were "complete" then or just beginning.

And you can't tell dancers who are 25 this. Well, you can, but they will not hear you. When they're 40, 50, 60, they'll usually be able to look back and go, uh, yeah, I get it now. It's not just a matter of who suffered most or who had babies or didn't or learning all the right movements and musicality. It's a hard to describe thing, like the peak ripeness of a fruit or how something tastes richer when it's been cooked a little longer. Someone who is really fantastic at 25 or 30, if it's at a musicality/emotional level, is going to be freaking phenomenal when they are 50.

roflol ..l;,

Originally Posted by zumarrad

That's true, but you don't actually figure that out till you're older. When I was 20 I knew EVERYTHING OMG and I had SUFFERED PAIN AND ANGST. Only when you're older do you figure out whether that was really true and whether you were "complete" then or just beginning.

And you can't tell dancers who are 25 this. Well, you can, but they will not hear you. When they're 40, 50, 60, they'll usually be able to look back and go, uh, yeah, I get it now. It's not just a matter of who suffered most or who had babies or didn't or learning all the right movements and musicality. It's a hard to describe thing, like the peak ripeness of a fruit or how something tastes richer when it's been cooked a little longer. Someone who is really fantastic at 25 or 30, if it's at a musicality/emotional level, is going to be freaking phenomenal when they are 50.

That might be true, but I heard that for Turkey, the career span of a dancer is rather short, meaning older than thirty you might be a better dancer, more mature and expressive, but you're out of tv for sure.

Yes - here you have to see Turkish tv very much is that cliché trash TV culture we associate with American tv (people screaming at each other most vulgarly and startin physical fights on the talkshow couch etc). Only in Turkey it's very much about hot girls in close to nothing (dress wise). Oryantal in Turkey has no association with art and cultural dance judging from mass tv consumers, but with sex. Playboy bunny kind of sex à la orientale. Not so much different from Lebanese channels, but there many people associate it with art, but obviously not in the bunny format presented on tv.

Overall, I think Egypt is a nice polar opposite of this type of dance presentation - as much as contemporary dancers most notably Dina may have brought in your face sexuality to it, the fact that a. people can value her mature dancer's qualities shows it is at least not playboy bunny sexuality, b. as much as Dina is raunchy, she is about real emotion and the art, too. And people give her credit for the emotion.
So even the scandalous Egyptian star dancer is not on the cheap TV sex plane you can see in Turkey as the predominant presentation..

Originally Posted by Nouria

That might be true, but I heard that for Turkey, the career span of a dancer is rather short, meaning older than thirty you might be a better dancer, more mature and expressive, but you're out of tv for sure.

:)
If you're just speaking of a "tv career" - then yes, ANY tv career is short-lived no matter what you even do lol! But that's the same really in most countries as well

But.....if it's dance that you're talking about, then goodness.......unlike the 'tv career' thing, dance itself is mighty ageless, and that anyone, so long as you're still breathing and still enjoying every moment of dance, shall it last as long you wish it to! :D (I also know cuz my own parents danced till they were 80 :D )

Yeah sure speaking of a TV career.. bellydance in Turkey is largely a tv career though. dancers get well known through tv, and then land hotel gigs in tourist centres or metropolitan areas, or they go on club/discotheque tour in Turkey and in Europe for Turkish audiences..

also on tv in Turkey specifically you see only these hot young dancers. Same in Lebanon as I said, but if you look at Dina, Fifi Abdo's progressed age performances long after she had children and was around 40 - then Egypt and its tv and stage scene is positively different!

(of course in America or Europe IF there were famous dancers appearing on tv regularly - which I dont think there is one dance form where this happens that you are ONLY a dancer, and a superstar on tv - then I am sure it would be the same! thinking of Italy's "shaking" girls in hot pants, f.e., spicing up Canale 5 talkshows etc)

Originally Posted by dinavienna

ya, very true. What's sad is precisely at the time her dancing really grew on me (when did I post this thread, mid-November?) she seems to have stopped dancing!!! I am wrecking my brain around maybe she got married and stopped altogether? I really hope she didn't. I'd love to see more of her in the style of that video at the beginning of this thread.

Hmmm, maybe she's taking a break, like many of us need from time to time. Or, even better, maybe she's getting a new life experience somewhere and will return better than ever!

ya that's a good way of putting it for us!
let her mature - when she's back she's going to kick a**!

Originally Posted by dinavienna

Yeah sure speaking of a TV career.. bellydance in Turkey is largely a tv career though. dancers get well known through tv, and then land hotel gigs in tourist centres or metropolitan areas, or they go on club/discotheque tour in Turkey and in Europe for Turkish audiences..

also on tv in Turkey specifically you see only these hot young dancers. Same in Lebanon as I said, but if you look at Dina, Fifi Abdo's progressed age performances long after she had children and was around 40 - then Egypt and its tv and stage scene is positively different!

(of course in America or Europe IF there were famous dancers appearing on tv regularly - which I dont think there is one dance form where this happens that you are ONLY a dancer, and a superstar on tv - then I am sure it would be the same! thinking of Italy's "shaking" girls in hot pants, f.e., spicing up Canale 5 talkshows etc)

..l;,
Yes...Turkey particularly Istanbul has (smartly, imo) gotten huge as a tourist spot now, w/scantilly-clad bellydancers as their main attraction.

..g.:

Originally Posted by Fotia

Hmmm, maybe she's taking a break, like many of us need from time to time. Or, even better, maybe she's getting a new life experience somewhere and will return better than ever!

Hmm...or maybe she is taking a break from the show host...Isn't he the guy who had his dancer-wife (or was it GF?) shot in the knees when she left him?

Niamh ("rhymes with sleeve")

Originally Posted by naimhodonnell

Hmm...or maybe she is taking a break from the show host...Isn't he the guy who had his dancer-wife (or was it GF?) shot in the knees when she left him?

Niamh ("rhymes with sleeve")

...omg, is this for real?? .w.:

Yes, unfortunately (after he'd had a very public affair with Asena). The paid shooter was caught... I have never heard of himself being put to trial though.

Originally Posted by SatinWorship19

I know the BD world favors an hourglass bod with curves in all the right places, but for some of us, that shape is genetically unattainable. I love watching Didem because she proves that you don't have to fit a misguided stereotype to be a great dancer.

Hum Satin if that was so why did she enhance her boobs if not to correspond to the stereotype?
Don't get me wrong, shall she do what she likes but she is by no means a hero of the anti-mainstream.

Originally Posted by dinavienna

Yes, unfortunately (after he'd had a very public affair with Asena). The paid shooter was caught... I have never heard of himself being put to trial though.

Pls back up: Is Asena still dancing or no? Or are you talking about a different ex-gf?

Originally Posted by Nouria

Hum Satin if that was so why did she enhance her boobs if not to correspond to the stereotype?
Don't get me wrong, shall she do what she likes but she is by no means a hero of the anti-mainstream.

..l;, exactly.

Didem imo is the quintessential of mainstream, and I think she's succeeded wonderfully so far!

:)

Originally Posted by naimhodonnell

Hmm...or maybe she is taking a break from the show host...Isn't he the guy who had his dancer-wife (or was it GF?) shot in the knees when she left him?

Niamh ("rhymes with sleeve")

Now that's scary! I sure hope not!!

Originally Posted by Fotia

Now that's scary! I sure hope not!!

no no lol - Didem in fact was dating a guy at the time just before Ibo ended, so.....not at all lol :)

This is very Arab style for a Turkish dancer and I love her new style. However the guys in the background are not very appreciative, are they? They could at least pretend to be interested. I assume they are getting paid for their time as well? Or is it the age old double standard behaviour towards bellydancers??!!

Originally Posted by Sheeoneh

This is very Arab style for a Turkish dancer and I love her new style. However the guys in the background are not very appreciative, are they? They could at least pretend to be interested. I assume they are getting paid for their time as well? Or is it the age old double standard behaviour towards bellydancers??!!

Dia duit!
I'm thinking that they are trying to portray some kind of "gangsta" attitude for the audience.

Originally Posted by niamh

Dia duit!
I'm thinking that they are trying to portray some kind of "gangsta" attitude for the audience.

And I'm thinking that Didemis better off in a different venue. She's an artist and they are schmucks...l;,..l;,..l;,

Originally Posted by missanime

Pls back up: Is Asena still dancing or no? Or are you talking about a different ex-gf?

Asena has recently released her first single, so I am guessing she is trying to cross over into singing! Let me try and find the clip.
(In Turkey many models try to launch a singing career - recently it's the bellydancers' turn; by the way, Dina Jamal I believe has launched a singing career in Lebanon, too ..g.:)

And, yes, it was precisely Asena Mr. Tatlises was said to have an affair with. The shooting of his wife (who survived) happened quite a few years ago. I don't think the affair then was still on (at least not according to the gossip I've heard - which is probably one per mille of what gossip is out there - I hate celebrity gossip :) ), nor was Asena still dancing on his show.

I'd heard a rumour of Asena being shot by a hitman by a British bellydancer once - I think she may have misunderstood the scandal on his wife.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkpDxDzTehQ]YouTube - ASENA ON TURKISH TV (DISKO KRALI)[/ame]

oops it was Jihan al Masri who crossed over from bellydance to singing ;)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmBiOcH06_E]YouTube - Jihan ElMasry - ElHalabesa / جيهان المصرى - الØ*لبسه[/ame]

Originally Posted by niamh

And I'm thinking that Didemis better off in a different venue. She's an artist and they are schmucks...l;,..l;,..l;,

Lol...different cultures indeed! :)

Tanyeli is another Turkish dancer who has moved into singing.