Thread: Is this appropiate for Khaligi?

Hi ladies!

I need your help. I would like to know if this song is appropriate for a khaligi piece. I have seen people doing it and I think the rhythm is correct but...what do you think?

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...eature=related
Thanks!!

Bad link...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91sVD19110E]YouTube - Tony Moussayek - Azez Alaya (O Clone)[/ame]

too many "http"

oops Gisela beat me to it! *deletes youtube clip*

Sure, you could do khaleegy to this.

Thanks! I was concerned because I read somewhere that the singer was lebanese, from the south, and he is using that dialect. I was not sure how the lebanese community would take it.

thanks gisela for reposting :)

Originally Posted by Dahabiya

Thanks! I was concerned because I read somewhere that the singer was lebanese, from the south, and he is using that dialect. I was not sure how the lebanese community would take it.

Are you dancing for the Lebanese community?

There will be Lebanese present at the event...they have a booth. Not many though, but still...

Originally Posted by Dahabiya

Thanks! I was concerned because I read somewhere that the singer was lebanese, from the south, and he is using that dialect. I was not sure how the lebanese community would take it.

Lebanese bands in Boston often throw a khaleegi song into their open floor sets, people take it just fine ..g.:

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Anyone care to comment on the content of the video?

I don't speak the language, but the evil, sent from Satan, BD temptress who wrecks havoc with couples and families seems to be a recurring theme here.

Tony Mouzayek is a Syrian expat living in Brazil since the 70's. He covers songs from many different "genres" of Arabic music.

I can't listen to this song (or watch the video) now as I am at work, but if it is indeed Azez Alaya I would think it is appropriate for Khaliji, it has that feel to me. But I am not an expert so I can't say for sure!

Originally Posted by anala

Anyone care to comment on the content of the video?

I don't speak the language, but the evil, sent from Satan, BD temptress who wrecks havoc with couples and families seems to be a recurring theme here.

I was kind of wondering the same thing. Are these clips from a movie? Any one here know if it follows the song or something?

Yes it is fine to dance to this and here is the singer doing it live while Fatima dances Khaliji style.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJcbkuE5jB8&feature=PlayList&p=B41DAA5B307 85B65&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=38"]YouTube- Khaleege - Fátima Braga e Tony Mouzayek[/ame]

Originally Posted by badriya_al_ahmar

Lebanese bands in Boston often throw a khaleegi song into their open floor sets, people take it just fine ..g.:

Well my concern was more because of the language used. The audience would not notice but Lebanese audience would certainly recognize this song is not from the gulf just by hearing the dialect. If they recognize the song as Lebanese it might not look right to dance it khaligi style.

Originally Posted by Michelle75

Yes it is fine to dance to this and here is the singer doing it live while Fatima dances Khaliji style.

Awesome!!! Could you post the link?

Thank you ladies! You have been very helpful.

Originally Posted by Dahabiya

Awesome!!! Could you post the link?

Thank you ladies! You have been very helpful.

Can't believe I forgot to add the video. Sorry!!! I added it to my post above. ..l;,

Originally Posted by Linnyg

I was kind of wondering the same thing. Are these clips from a movie? Any one here know if it follows the song or something?

El Clone, South American T.V. soap opera. Never saw it myself, but kinda upset that all the belly dance scenes seem to contain a belly dancer dancing for her lovers enjoyment (enticement). Another male chauvinistic view of what belly dance is all about? ,m::

Yes, that all had to do with the plot of the soap opera, not the content of the song. The bellydancer character had some... strained relationships. I think the seduction scenes were generally with her husbands, who often deserved to be tormented as I understand it. (never watched the show regularly, just dribs and drabs)

Why not just use a Khaleeji song from a Gulf artist for the upcoming event and save this song for a hafla where dancers will not pick up on the dialect issue? When you are dealing with natives, they will be able to tell his accent is the more guttural, Levantine one, and they may be curious about why you are representing yourself with something from a Latin American soap opera, if they recognize the song.

Originally Posted by Tourbeau

Why not just use a Khaleeji song from a Gulf artist for the upcoming event and save this song for a hafla where dancers will not pick up on the dialect issue? When you are dealing with natives, they will be able to tell his accent is the more guttural, Levantine one, and they may be curious about why you are representing yourself with something from a Latin American soap opera, if they recognize the song.

This was my first thought as well, why not just use a Khaleegi song from the Gulf? I don't know that much about Khaleegi, but I'm sure someone on Bhuz knows of some good songs?

Originally Posted by Tourbeau

Why not just use a Khaleeji song from a Gulf artist for the upcoming event and save this song for a hafla where dancers will not pick up on the dialect issue? When you are dealing with natives, they will be able to tell his accent is the more guttural, Levantine one, and they may be curious about why you are representing yourself with something from a Latin American soap opera, if they recognize the song.

This is a Khaliji song. It wasn't written for a Latin American Soap Opera, it's a real song that just happened to be used on a soap opera. I'm sure the majority of the crowd would not put it with O Clone.

Originally Posted by Michelle75

This is a Khaliji song. It wasn't written for a Latin American Soap Opera, it's a real song that just happened to be used on a soap opera. I'm sure the majority of the crowd would not put it with O Clone.

Ah!

Originally Posted by Michelle75

This is a Khaliji song.

The issue isn't that this is a Khaleeji song, it's that he obviously isn't a Khaleeji singer, and as such, this is not the ideal representation of the genre. If you are performing for a knowledgeable audience, it is important they know that you know, and I wouldn't choose this any more than I'd choose a Lebanese singer singing in Egyptian dialect as an example of Egyptian music.

It wasn't written for a Latin American Soap Opera, it's a real song that just happened to be used on a soap opera. I'm sure the majority of the crowd would not put it with O Clone.

People with Arab heritage sometimes also speak Spanish and watch telenovelas, This particular telenovela generated a lot of attention for itself in the Arab World--both for its controversial portrayal of Muslims, and for the contributions to the soundtrack from Amro Diab, who was at the peak of his international popularity then. I have no idea whether this particular audience will be likely to recognize this song as being connected to "O Clone," but if they do, I still contend it would be strange to be using it when there are thousands of other Khaleeji songs performed by musicians from Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Kuwait, etc., and the dancer could have just as easily chosen one of them instead.

UPDATE: I've checked a lot of Arabic music sites (many of them in Arabic, so no confusion on transliteration) and Tony Moussayek is off the radar for everything but the "O Clone" soundtrack. If people don't recognize him from that, they'll be going off the sound of the record. According to the helpful folks at ATL, he is singing in "Southern Lebanese" dialect, so, yeah, clearly not Gulf, even though it is a Khaleeji song. "The heart wants what the heart wants," as Woody Allen says, but Hussein al Jassmy is smokin' hot now, and so is Nabil Sha'ail. Rotana has been pimping Abdullah Al Rowaished's new album like crazy, and you can't go wrong with guys like Mohammed Abdo and Rashed al Majed for Gulf music. They'd be the artists I'd be looking at if I wanted to do a khaleeji piece now.

I love this song and while doing a little research, noticed that most videos out there do not show people doing Khaligi style dancing to it. So after reading this thread, my question is who is right - the khaligi dancing or what is more commonly though of as oriental dance? Does the fact that the dialect is Lebanese change what is appropriate?

Originally Posted by bella237

I love this song and while doing a little research, noticed that most videos out there do not show people doing Khaligi style dancing to it. So after reading this thread, my question is who is right - the khaligi dancing or what is more commonly though of as oriental dance?

The song itself is a bit of a mash up, so if someone is going to insist on dancing to it, I suppose a pan-Arabic fusion would probably make the most sense.

Does the fact that the dialect is Lebanese change what is appropriate?

Most other dancers will probably never notice the difference, but for Arab audiences, yes. Arab audiences will wonder why you didn't use a Khaleeji song in a Khaleeji dialect by a famous Khaleeji singer, if you wanted to do a Khaleeji number. Out of thousands of possible, more obvious choices, the idea that you'd pick this song may read clueless or contrary to them.

Upon further digging, it looks like the Lebanese singer Hadi Hazim had the earliest version I could find, which doesn't preclude the possibility that Aazar Habib (Lebanese and credited as the composer) used the melody of an older Gulf song, but Ayman Zbib (Lebanese, too) also covered it, and it shows up on Lebanese "golden oldies" karaoke collections. Really, keep it simple. If you want to perform Khaleeji, pick a clearly Khaleeji song, and if you want to perform Lebanese style, pick a clearly Lebanese song, and save this one for dancing around at home, unless you have already established yourself to your audiences as someone who is knowledgeably navigating such subtleties.

I can't watch the original clip as its blocked here in Qatar

Originally Posted by TheCaroVan

I can't watch the original clip as its blocked here in Qatar

FWIW, here are the Ayman Zbib ايمن زبيب عازز علي النوم and Hadi Hazim Hady Hazim - Aazez Aalaya El Nom - هادي حزيم - عازز عليا النوم clips. There are a few more versions of the song on YouTube by (as far as I can tell) contemporary party singers if you search in Arabic on عازز علي "Aziz alaya" or عازز علي النوم "Aziz alaya al-noum". Apologies in advance if the Arabic gets knocked out of order with the way Bhuz's editing software does line breaks...