Thread: Karsilama???

Hello everyone:

I have another folklore question. Can anyone post a video of Karsilama dance, the real one? I have found many videos that say karsilama and are actually Turkish romani (to a karsilama rhythm) but very few actual karsilama dances so it is getting me really confused. Tell me please if I am wrong but Karsilama dance and Turkish romani dance are very different dance styles, Right? Wrong?
Confusing....Help!

Thanks in advance!

Yep, very different things. Romani dance is different from Turkish folk dances, including karsilama.

With the Turkish folk dances, from all I can gather things are kinda complicated. At Folk Tours camp, a friend and I tried to squeeze information out of the folk dance teacher, who seemed a bit puzzled by our questions ;-) Also, take into account that this was a Turk talking to a German in English, so something may have gotten mixed up in multi-level translation! I took away that apparently every tune and every town has its own dance/steps, which may explain why there is not a whole lot of videos easily found on Youtube.

[QUOTE = Dahabiya; 793.752] Herkese merhaba:

Başka bir folklor sorum var. kimse Karşılama dans, gerçek bir bir video gönderebilir miyim? Ben Karşılama söylemek ve aslında (bir Karşılama ritmine) Türk romani ancak çok az gerçek Karşılama dansları gerçekten şaşkın bana oluyor bu kadar çok video bulduk. Ama yanlışım varsa Karşılama dans ve Türk romani dans çok farklı dans stilleri vardır, Sağ bana lütfen söyle? Yanlış?
.... Yardım karmakarışık!

şimdiden teşekkür ederiz [/ QUOTE]

Hello.Ahmet Ogren Roman Dans ve Karşılama

Sevgili Dansçılar,
sen bana çok ilgili prespectives paylaştığınız için teşekkür ederiz. Dance deneyim benim 30 yıl ve sizinle Roman Dans benim araştırma 20 yıllık paylaşmak istiyorum.
1 - Karşılama bir Roma Dance değildir.
2 - Türkiye'de hiçbir oryantal dansçı, hiç kendi dans rutin bir parçası olarak Karşılama dans yapacağız.
Karşılama ve Roma dans arasındaki benzerlik nedeni her ikisinin de payı 08/09 rhytem gerçektir. 9 / 8 ryhtem olan tüm müzik Romalı bir müzik değildir.
Karşılama Dance kurallar ve yönetmelikler, bu kurallar olmadan gve bir Karşılama Dance olmak var!
Bu kurallar şunlardır:
1 - 9 önlemler içinde olmalıdır
2 - Handkircief kullanılmalıdır.
3 - dansın en önemli parçası en az iki veya daha fazla kişi ile dans olmasıdır. Bir Yalnız Dans olarak yapılması asla.
Roman Dans bir Ödevler dans ve doğaçlama bir danstır. Roma Dancer danslar biri çalınıyorken müzik ile ne hissettiğini göre.
Amacıyla Roman Dans üzerinde araştırma yapmak gerekir Roman dans bir dans.
Yaşam tarzı ve mentallity dikkate alınmalıdır.
Bütün bu confusement nedeni daha sonra diğer Roma Dance yorumlama var armatür yolu öğretmenlikten sayıda Roma Sınıflar alarak bazı dansçıların sonucudur.
Sonuç olarak bu Türk Roman Dans zarar verir.
Eğer gerçekten bir Roma Dancer yapmaz etek dönen, hem de daha sonra öğretmenler üzerinde araştırma Roman Dans öğrenmek istiyorsanız!
Tabii ki ancak 9 / 8 can dance, söyleme "Ben Karşılama veya Roma için dans ediyorum."
Karşılama ve Roma dans arasındaki fark;
1 - Karşılama 1-2, 1-2, 1-2 var, 1-2-3 bir muasuring ryhtem (Asla Yalnız olarak dans olabilir) olarak
2 - Roma, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, 1-3 olarak bir ölçüm rhytem daha 1-2-3-4-5 basitleştirilmiş olarak
Bir adım, iki adım, üç adım, dört, (geç), Beş adım geç.
www.dansciahmet.com

Could you kindly post that in English? The vast majority of Bhuzzers are not fluent in Turkish.

Ahmet Ogren Roman Dance and Karsilama

Dear Dancers,
Thank you very much for sharing your prespectives about me. I would like to share my 30 years of Dance experience and 20 years of my research on Roman Dance with you.
1- KARSILAMA is not a Roman Dance.
2- No Oriental Dancer in Turkey, will ever do KARSILAMA dance as part of their dance routine.
The reason of similarity between Karsilama and the Roman dance is the fact that they both share 9/8 rhytem. All music that has 9/8 ryhtem is not a Roman music.
Karsilama Dance has rules and regulations, without these rules there wont be a Karsilama Dance!
These Rules are:
1- measures must be within 9
2- Handkircief must be used.
3- Most important part of the dance is that it must be danced with at least two or more people. It is never done as a Solo Dance.
Roman Dance is an indivudual dance and is a dance of improvisation. Roman Dancer dances according to what one feels with in the music that is being played.
In order to dance Romany dance one must do a research on Roman Dance.
Their life style and mentallity must be taken to consideration.
The reason for all this confusement is the result of some dancers taking few Roman Classes then teaching others there amature way interpreting of Roman Dance.
This as a result harms The Turkish Roman Dance.
If you want to really learn Roman Dance then research on your teachers as well, swirling the skirts does not make a Roman Dancer!
Of course you can dance to 9/8 but do not say, “ I am dancing to Karsilama or Roman.”
The difference between Karsilama and Roman dance is;
1- Karsilama has 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3 as a muasuring ryhtem (Never can be danced as a Solo)
2- In Roman, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, 1-3 as a measuring rhytem more simplified 1-2-3-4-5
One step, two step, three step, Four; (Skip) Jump, Five a step.
www.dansciahmet.com

Originally Posted by gypsyahmet

I would like to share my 30 years of Dance experience and 20 years of my research on Roman Dance with you.

Thank you very much for your informative comments!

Every thing Ahmet posted corresponds very well to what I have learned. It is getting easier to learn about authentic Turkish music and dance, but when I started 15 years ago trying to track down the answers it was very difficult. I have studied Balkan (including Turkish) folk dances as well as Turkish Oriental. There are many variations on the 9/8 rhythms and different folk dances correspond to different versions. I know most about Armenian and Bulgarian 9/8s and continue to try and learn more. The music is so fabulous, I want to learn all the dances that go with it.

Marya

Oh, also there is Greek Karsilama as well, there is some shared culture between the two countries, but in my limited experience the music is a bit different for Greek versions. I will post some youtube videos of both.

Marya

Greek version:







Turkish:



It was easier to find Greek examples than Turkish ones.

Also, another thing I learned is not all dances called Karsilama are danced to a 9/8 rhythm. I was taught that the name, as it refers to a dance, means face to face.

Marya

Wow! That was great information!!! Thank you so much. I will make sure to pass that knowledge on. Looking forward to learn even more on the topic.

Well, if you were anywhere near the middle Georgia area next weekend, I'd say come to the Holiday Hafla. We have Morocco teaching a class on Karsilama and one on Roma.

http://www.holidayhafla.com

wow!!! If I was rich I would!!! I live in Canada :( And in the middle of nowhere really....Have fun and learn lots!

Thanks to Ahmet Ogren for his excellent explanation. He's a master Turkish dancer, and you can study Turkish Rom and Turkish Oriental dance with him in person April 16 and 17, 2011 in Santa Fe, NM, sponsored by Joan Kafri, jkafri@peoplepc.com.