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Regardless of what is being said, and I'm still going through that thread. You must be able to prove malice, and then prove that the statements made damaged your business or person.

If you are discussing a matter of opinion then you are not talking about slander. (Example someone doesn't like my cooking and then they blog about how my cooking sucks.)

Slander must be full and outright lies with the intent of harming the individual in case.

Slander is more a legal term and proving slander (especially in the US) is damn near impossible.

Also the statements must be made on public record. I'm not sure an internet forum qualifies.

I saw bits and pieces of this, DaVid. I will PM you with an opinion. I've been dealing with my own drama over here on Bhuz on the flounce thread. Carrara and I were personally slandered by someone not only here but also on Facebook and Carrara also got slammed to the entire CT community.

It just has to be something in the planet alignment.

Tanya, an Internet forum would apply because it is in writing. That would be under the classification of libel. However, you are also correct in that the statement has the potential to damage someone's reputation and/or business, causing them monetary losses as well.

Originally Posted by Fotia

Tanya, an Internet forum would apply because it is in writing. That would be under the classification of libel. However, you are also correct in that the statement has the potential to damage someone's reputation and/or business, causing them monetary losses as well.

It is in writing but it is not in publication.

Many judges have catagorized internet forums as "open discussion/conversation" which would make them more slander then libel. Libel is much harder to take legal action against because even though it is written it is in the purpose of continuing a conversation. Perhaps my example of a blog post is off.

If someone were to write an article about how my cooking sucks and publish it we are talking slander (easier to prove but still hard to take action against.)

If someone in conversation (internet or otherwise) says my cooking sucks it's libel and much harder to prove intent.

ETA: I read my first post and confused slander and libel sorry.

We sound like a couple of lawyers making case law!

I think a lawyer would argue that because it is posted on a bellydance forum where the parties are recognized professionals, there may be some validity to this being slander/libel. Also, if people believe the slanderous (libelous?) statements, it could be considered a publication.

IMHO. Just because I work with lawyers doesn't mean I am one - this is just an uneducated guess at the moment.

Maybe you can link me to the slanderous part of the discussion I'm on page 12 and still have not seen it.

No, I'm talking in general, not about this. But you are slightly ahead of me - I will have to catch up.

You would make a fine lawyer!

Originally Posted by Fotia

No, I'm talking in general, not about this. But you are slightly ahead of me - I will have to catch up.

You would make a fine lawyer!

Nah, I dropped out of law school, can't swim with the sharks. Trying for my MBA now, so I guess I'm swimming with Pirahnas ..l;,..l;,

Originally Posted by Fotia

Carrara and I were personally slandered by someone not only here but also on Facebook and Carrara also got slammed to the entire CT community.

Not to threadjack, and just to clarify any potential confusion, my situation was a separate incident that happened a year ago, by a completely different person. Has nothing to do with recent, umm, happenings, and I hope I didn't get anybody confused.

As others have mentioned, I'd take action if I got the feeling that my business and reputation were harmed. I personally don't get any worrisome vibes from the thread. The good news is that usually these things resolve themselves on their own. I'm sure your situation will too, as much as it might suck right now.

David,
I haven't the faintest idea how anything on that thread could be construed as slander. If so, then pretty much every discussion where dancers critique or disagree with other dancers would be construed as slander.

It's just a discussion board...if you find yourself personalizing things, just walk away from it for a while.

ETA...reading on, I have to say you're really not making yourself look very good in that thread, David. It's evident that you have an issue with Tarik, and it would probably be best if you took it into a private discussion.

Originally Posted by nisaasaintlouis

David,
I haven't the faintest idea how anything on that thread could be construed as slander. If so, then pretty much every discussion where dancers critique or disagree with other dancers would be construed as slander.

It's just a discussion board...if you find yourself personalizing things, just walk away from it for a while.

Thanks Nisaa. :)

Thanks everyone :)

Just making sure I'm not misunderstanding things in "translation" between the different languages I juggle at times.

Originally Posted by _Tanya_

If someone were to write an article about how my cooking sucks and publish it we are talking slander (easier to prove but still hard to take action against.)

If someone in conversation (internet or otherwise) says my cooking sucks it's libel and much harder to prove intent.

No, it's the other way around -- slander is "a false and defamatory oral statement about a person." Libel is "the defamation of a person by written or representational means." (there's several definitions listed for libel, but this one gets most to the point. Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary)

Originally Posted by JeanneLF

No, it's the other way around -- slander is "a false and defamatory oral statement about a person." Libel is "the defamation of a person by written or representational means." (there's several definitions listed for libel, but this one gets most to the point. Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary)

And this is why I didn't finish law school .w.:

Originally Posted by nisaasaintlouis

It's just a discussion board...if you find yourself personalizing things, just walk away from it for a while.

I agree with this. And just think about how many more people will watch your video because of that thread! Woohoo! You should thank them for posting. Even if that particular person didn't like it, I'm sure many others will love it. ..g.:

Originally Posted by david

Thank you for your time and I am sorry to have to share this with you all, but I am having some problems understanding the cultural constructions of slander and so forth.

IMO, slander and/or libel are not cultural concepts, they are legal terminology.

Originally Posted by david

I am having a problem understanding the definition of slander.

I had understood it as making statements with the purpose of deforming someone's character, reputation or recognition? Is that correct?

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Thank you for your time and I am sorry to have to share this with you all, but I am having some problems understanding the cultural constructions of slander and so forth.

DaVid, if possible, talk to a lawyer. Most of them give a free consultation. Just to give you peace of mind in that regard. <HUGS>

Originally Posted by _Tanya_

And this is why I didn't finish law school .w.:

Aha! I thought you had some training in law!

Originally Posted by nisaasaintlouis

David,
I haven't the faintest idea how anything on that thread could be construed as slander. If so, then pretty much every discussion where dancers critique or disagree with other dancers would be construed as slander.

It's just a discussion board...if you find yourself personalizing things, just walk away from it for a while.

ETA...reading on, I have to say you're really not making yourself look very good in that thread, David. It's evident that you have an issue with Tarik, and it would probably be best if you took it into a private discussion.

What she said.

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Originally Posted by david

I realize this, but I am glad you are looking out for me and sharing your thoughts and concerns about this. I appreciate it. Thank you. You too, Lauren, thanks.

For the record: I have no issue with Tarik - he's the one with a problem with me and this has been going on for years. I dont even really know what his problem is. I have tried in numerous ways to communicate with him, avoid him and so on. We've known each other for years.

I just finally have had enough. I realize that a public space such as the OD forum is not the most appropriate space to address this.

Thanks for putting up with all of this, guys.

David have you lost your sanity?! Really DAvid, I means REALLY!I haven't spoken to or about you in how many years? So how can I be slandering you? What gives you the impression that I have a "problem" with you? I did not, nor have I ever slandered you. I gave an opinion about Shabbi and explained in detail what my perspective of it was. You were only mentioned in passing. And although I wasn't a raving review, it was not a put down either. I placed my comment in a certain context. If you don't want people to critique your work, then you have no business posting videos of yourself on youtube or anywhere else.

You've tried to numerous ways to contact me? Are you kidding me DAvid? When and about what? WE HAVE HAD NO INTERACTION NOR REASONS TO HAVE ANY INTERACTIONS WITH EACH OTHER. WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO EACH OTHER FOR YEEEEEEARS.

Anyone can go take a look at the thread to see what was said. You were only mentioned in passing and I explained my perspective in great detail as to what I've seen and experience. I explained this to you as well.

Obviously there's more going on here and I don't have a clue what its about. I have e-mail, I have youtube, I have myspace and facebook, (even though I don't check them often,f::). AND there's always the PM setting at Oriental dancer.

If you felt that I said something that slighted you, you could have come to me, in private and asked me about it. Instead, you post an obnoxious reply, then when I tried to explain that I had nothing against you and tried to put my past comment in perspective so you would understand where I was coming from, you peel of several extremely nasty posts.

I told you this on Oriental dancer and I'm telling you this here now: LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Until now, I've had no reason to dislike you. Our correspondences had always been cordial and friendly. If someone came to you and said Tarik said this this that, the thing to do would be to come to me and ask if it were true. My mind is spinning trying to figure out what you mean about me attacking you. I'll say it again: I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO YOU IN YEARS, NOR HAVE I HAD REASON TO SPEAK OF YOU.

Good bye DAvid. Hope we never see each other or have reason to speak to each other ever again.