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    The business of 'posing'

    Elsewhere on the 'tinternet' I came across some publicity photos which were really lovely.

    The problem was, it got me thinking about what it was the person wanted to advertise.

    One of the pics was her lying back looking straight into the camera with her hair toussled and arms lay relaxed at the side of her head. I could not decide if the facial expression said 'come to me darling..' or 'that was marvelous darling..'.

    There has been an ongoing debate over the years about how the dance is perceived and misunderstood by the GP, but what are we actually saying to people when we sell it to them??

    Do we consiously think about a message when participating in our photo shoots, and what is that message?

    And more to the point, is our intended message received as such?


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    Quote Originally Posted by caroline_afifi View Post
    Do we consiously think about a message when participating in our photo shoots, and what is that message?
    Yes and no. On one hand, dancers do this on purpose. Nobody goes to a photo shoot planning to look frumpy and frigidly bland. There is a very clear "I want to look smolderingly beautiful and sexy in these pictures" thought formed in their heads. On the other hand, there's a quantum leap of logic between "I want to look smolderingly beautiful and sexy in these pictures" and "Everybody knows not to make 'sexy face' on stage, touch yourself, or flirt too brazenly with the men in the audience" that some of those brain electrons must not be jumping. Posing for....what do we want to call them? Pseudo-coital? Lubwa? Harem-fantasy boudoir? photos isn't sending a different message than doing those verboten things on stage, but for some reason, not everyone makes the connection.

    And more to the point, is our intended message received as such?
    Dancers who do a lot of GP gigs (restaurants, parties, etc.) often sell the fantasy, because that's what the public expects. Many customers want an overtly sexy look, and they are not always discerning enough to value skill at least as much as hotness (within reason, obviously, and a lot depends on your market). "In-your-face sexy" probably generates more work than "fun but modest." However, I suspect there is at least a little striving for attention/affirmation at play here, too. How many international-caliber dancers can you think of offhand who have "Hey, Sultan...!" pictures in their galleries?
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Pictures like that totally send the wrong message. While I can appreciate the beauty of the photos, I wonder how many of the uneducated masses think think they might get a little extra at their party.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    I'm very very deliberate when i pose for photos. I don't take boudoir pics in my costume. I prefer action shots, but if I can't get those (and they're tough to do in the studio) my rule is 'if I'm not gonna do it at Uncle Joe's birthday party, I won't use a pic of it to advertise myself'

    My troupe had a photo shoot with a photographer who's also a dancer -- it was both especially fabulous and especially difficult. She had us pose very close together, touching each other, which felt awkward (but I have to admit looks OK in the photos). Our individual shots included lots of semi-reclining on the floor which I resisted strongly.

    Then one of my troupemates, who has long gorgeous hair, was asked to lie on the floor with her hair splayed out & legs up the wall Vargas-style. I think it would have been a gorgeous pic, and the dancers were paying for their solo shoots individually, but I told her "that sounds gorgeous, is that something you want for your husband or your personal use? Cuz I can't use that to promote you as a dancer, we would never DO that at a gig."

    I guess I err on the conservative side. But you can't sell pure sexuality and then be offended when people think you... you know.. sell sexuality.


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    I used that EXACT prose- with my legs crossed quaintly (not splayed) up against a motorcycle- feet by the handle bars- head by the wheel- looking back up at the camara...in a bikini. It's gorgeous- its my background screen cause it looks like I am a 10 (lol I'm not) and its a favorite of my BF's- for whom ultimately the picture was shot

    - but it is NOT a pose I would use for anything but personal/gifting use to a SO- or for a portfolio for modelling.

    Never in a bellydance setting or for family fun. I'm surprised she suggested such a pose.


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    But you can't sell pure sexuality and then be offended when people think you... you know.. sell sexuality.
    but that can be said to any part of being a belly dancer.

    The costumes that we use are meant to highlight the secondary sexual characteristics (breasts) your pelvic region AND the movements are torso intensive, limbs are important, but secondary.

    Long, thick hair is a sign of youth and fertility. This is visceral, has nothing to do with my particular opinion.

    Being "commercially attractive" is nothing more than a euphemism for being what most consider to be sexually attractive.

    What we do, while beautiful and artistic, is also sensual.

    If you perform only in neck to floor galabaya, i think you have room to criticize, but if you don't? (generic you)

    And what we think of as being modest (vests, close fitting low cut galabaya's) the general public look at askance. We have a double standard that we have to look at before we cast any stones at others.

    My sons stopped coming to my performances, not because they were unwilling to watch me perform and heavens know that they aren't prudes, but because they saw others watching me as a sexual being and it made them uncomfortable, irrespective of what I saw myself doing.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Quote Originally Posted by kina View Post
    What we do, while beautiful and artistic, is also sensual.
    I agree! That's why I was really careful to spell out the phrase 'if you sell PURE sexuality...' Because of course the dance is sexy, and of course we sell that aspect of it as well. I hope I look sexy in my dance pics! There's a difference, to me, between selling a 'sexy dancer' (attractive woman dancing in a sexy costume) and selling a 'sexual object' (attractive woman in a sexy costume lying around looking sexually available). The latter has nothing to do with dance and isn't something I'll do at your party for any amount of money.

    If you perform only in neck to floor galabaya, i think you have room to criticize, but if you don't? (generic you)
    It's a personal decision, I, for one, am not criticizing anyone who makes a different choice. Just describing my personal boundaries.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren_ View Post
    There's a difference, to me, between selling a 'sexy dancer' (attractive woman dancing in a sexy costume) and selling a 'sexual object' (attractive woman in a sexy costume lying around looking sexually available). The latter has nothing to do with dance and isn't something I'll do at your party for any amount of money.
    that's exactly it, it's so subjective that what to you is selling yourself as a sexy dancer, OTHERS interpret as selling yourself.

    We have no control over how others perceive us. Making a distinction that if you wear black instead of white, or stand in this manner -v- that manner is attaching a value judgment that has to do with a perception. I have trouble with that, because nothing is every black and white.

    i've seen poses of dancers in the pose you describe, and I think they are lovely. Should they be advertising with them? I dunno. There are people who think that what we do is shameful, and that what we think is a perfectly acceptable pose is disgraceful because we're not covered head to toe.

    I recently saw a promo picture of a dancer who is wearing one of those metal bra covers over skin, cover being a misnomer here. But she was upright.

    I think if your bits are covered, it's acceptable, I'm just not comfortable telling people that this is ok, that on the other hand is slutty. (this is for the sake of the discussion, because I think it's an important one, not because I think having the discussion is wrong)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourbeau View Post
    Yes and no. On one hand, dancers do this on purpose. Nobody goes to a photo shoot planning to look frumpy and frigidly bland. There is a very clear "I want to look smolderingly beautiful and sexy in these pictures" thought formed in their heads. On the other hand, there's a quantum leap of logic between "I want to look smolderingly beautiful and sexy in these pictures" and "Everybody knows not to make 'sexy face' on stage, touch yourself, or flirt too brazenly with the men in the audience" that some of those brain electrons must not be jumping. Posing for....what do we want to call them? Pseudo-coital? Lubwa? Harem-fantasy boudoir? photos isn't sending a different message than doing those verboten things on stage, but for some reason, not everyone makes the connection.
    Sorry to derail, can I get your definition of "Lubwa"? That term is new to me. Thanks!


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Quote Originally Posted by kina View Post
    <snip for space> I have trouble with that, because nothing is every black and white.
    One more reply and then I'll let other people talk for a while,

    For me it's very simple. Do the pictures sell something the person will actually bring to the party? Dancing vs. lying on a bed, standing or even kneeling vs. reclining on cushions eating grapes.


    i've seen poses of dancers in the pose you describe, and I think they are lovely. Should they be advertising with them? I dunno.<snip for space>
    I've seen them, too, and I also think they're lovely (Tanya LV has one I think is particularly stunning, and my good friend Kimahri has one as well that I think is delicious.). My personal choice not to use those kinds of pics isn't meant to be a judgment against people who do use them. I think having one or two of those in a mix with lots of other kinds of shots is probably perfectly alright, although a whole website populated with, essentially, boudoir or pinup photography in bellydance costume might send the wrong message.


    I recently saw a promo picture of a dancer who is wearing one of those metal bra covers over skin, cover being a misnomer here. But she was upright.
    Hm. Sounds cold -- LOL. and... unsupportive. Hopefully that's another example of false advertising... hopefully she doesn't perform costumed in that way.


    I think if your bits are covered, it's acceptable, I'm just not comfortable telling people that this is ok, that on the other hand is slutty. (this is for the sake of the discussion, because I think it's an important one, not because I think having the discussion is wrong)
    No, I'm certainly not comfortable with telling other people their pics are slutty! Although I reserve the right to call foul if I think someone is putting forth pics that besmirch the reputation of our art form. We're all going to have our lines in different places for that, though.

    I agree, I think the discussion is an important one! Even though I support everyone's right to decide for him/herself what constitutes the line between 'selling a sexy dancer' and 'selling pure sexuality' I think it's an important thing to think through as we plan our marketing.

    It's easy to fall in love with gorgeous pics of yourself looking sexy, taken by a talented photographer. Of course we'd all be tempted to splay shots like that all over our websites! But it should be a carefully balanced, conscious marketing choice.


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    Hm. Sounds cold -- LOL. and... unsupportive. Hopefully that's another example of false advertising... hopefully she doesn't perform costumed in that way.
    weeeeeeellllll sits on hands let's just say that she's not my favorite dancer OR businesswoman and leave it at that.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Nothing wrong with belly dancers looking "sexy". They usually are, like it or not.
    But the poses in costume should be as if you had a snip in time of a dancer's moves and not a dewey eyed nymph lounging on cushions,gazing open-mouthed at the camera.
    To me that infers she is waiting for her "sultan" to come and claim.SIGH!
    A publiciy shot should make her look desirable to hire to dance and entertain not available to sh&&.
    Sorry to be coarse but a dancer can be beautiful and sexy when she dances and still look unattainable and classy.


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Quote Originally Posted by lplmuk View Post
    Nothing wrong with belly dancers looking "sexy". They usually are, like it or not.
    But the poses in costume should be as if you had a snip in time of a dancer's moves and not a dewey eyed nymph lounging on cushions,gazing open-mouthed at the camera.
    To me that infers she is waiting for her "sultan" to come and claim.SIGH!
    A publiciy shot should make her look desirable to hire to dance and entertain not available to sh&&.
    Sorry to be coarse but a dancer can be beautiful and sexy when she dances and still look unattainable and classy.
    Maybe this is why most of my studio shots have so many props. nothing sends a good "come hither" like a nicely sharpened piece of steel... Looking over the poses we are considering, I'm usually surrounded by something- my 2 seated poses have drums & instruments or swords. I'll seriously have to think about whether that is some subconscious protective thing for me- but even for studio shots, I much prefer something that is showing action of some kind & when I was looking for a new photographer, that was an absolute mandate. I needed someone who could capture that motion. I do want to advertise DANCE after all, and that is hard to capture sitting still, which my last studio photographer didn't understand at all.


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    A lot of these poses wouldn't look out of place in a film or pop star's portfolio -- or in a music video. (What that says about pop culture is a whole other conversation.)

    It gets more complicated when the performance medium is live and relatively intimate.

    Maybe part of the appeal is the idea of transcending "party dancer" and positioning yourself as "pop icon".


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    Imo it depends on how its done and what your market is. I, personally, have not used reclining or laying shot because my market is family restaurants, weddings, elderly milestone birthdays etc. The clients I seek, look for art appropriate for all ages and want to make sure its not too "sexytime".

    That said, if I were marketing to shisha lounges catering to 21 year old college students, and bachelor parties, I would probably cultivate a different image, to coincide with the hiphop videos shown on the walls, with girls in bikinis and the media that attracts those customers.

    Like anything else, its about branding to the customers you want to attract. That said, there is a line where I feel the laying down poses become overly sexualized. A lot of it has to do with the expression and posture in the image. But, as the Supreme Court said, "I know it when I see it." But that line is hard to define in words.

    This may be controversial, but I've always believed that if a performer is naturally sexy, she won't have to flaunt it or force the issue. People will notice because it comes from the inside. It's authentic. You won't need to lay down exposing legs up to your Brazilian wax and make O face. That just becomes crass imo.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    I think the word 'glamour' may be appropriate.. we may display our 'glamourous selves' without looking overtly sexual.

    I had a look through other publicity images of dancers and found a variety of approaches.

    Some where 'in action' shots, some were studio action shots, others were poses based on various stances/positions of the dance itself or 'glamour models' such as sex kittens, harem fantasy and play boy centerfolds.

    I think what surprised me most about the overtly sexual ones was the fact that the blurb about strong women, feminists and Goddesses did not quite match the chosen images of 'the rampant wanton woman'.

    I know it is a dated view of society that a strong woman needs to be covered, but even my usually liberal mind found copious amounts of what I would consider to be fooked up duplicity.

    I have nothing against the sexy images, it is the contradictions and expectations which bothers me.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    The double standard all women face on a daily basis are bad enough; throw bellydance into the mix and it's more like triple or quadruple standards! Somehow a pose that would be deemed high art if it were painted in oils on a 40x60 canvas is considered cheap on an an actual human female. Plain old nudes in any form are less threatening than a women dressed up in an exotic costume. Even the word "exotic" has developed a negative connotation, as in "exotic dancer." As a person who naturally looks exotic (the original definition) in jeans and a t-shirt, it sucks to have this connotation follow you around wherever you go. The most annoying thing about bellydance is constantly having to walk on eggshells all the time. I love Oscar Wilde's Salome, but I hid my face when I saw the rendition of her dance done by an actress in a staged reading with Al Pacino as King Herod. I love Odalisques, but it pains me to see publicity photos of beautiful dancers lying down on satin sheets.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Quote Originally Posted by daSage View Post
    Sorry to derail, can I get your definition of "Lubwa"? That term is new to me. Thanks!
    It's the Arabic word for "lioness," but it has a very loaded connotation. It's not just "Look at what a strong, sleek creature of a woman I am!" There's an undercurrent of very powerful sexuality to it, almost a quality of "I was hungry, I devoured you, and now I am sated. Are you sure you want to mess with me? Because I could come over there...." As I understand it, it's seen as a very blatant, threatening idea of potency, in every sense of the word (including the meaning that is the opposite of "impotent"). In other words, do not pick it as your dance name, no matter how much Helen Reddy's "I Am Woman" you're channeling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lara L View Post
    Maybe this is why most of my studio shots have so many props. nothing sends a good "come hither" like a nicely sharpened piece of steel... Looking over the poses we are considering, I'm usually surrounded by something- my 2 seated poses have drums & instruments or swords. I'll seriously have to think about whether that is some subconscious protective thing for me- but even for studio shots,
    Without knowing the content of the specific photos, you might want to have a few trusted friends look at the pictures with an eye that there may be some subconscious phallic imagery going on with the swords, too. What looks like a "dynamic dance pose with a prop" to you may look like "Sexy woman! Shaft!" to a more primitive mind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourbeau View Post
    to a more primitive mind.
    What a great phrase! May I borrow it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabrinabellydancer View Post
    What a great phrase! May I borrow it?
    Sure, go ahead...


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Now I'm the first to admit that when it comes to costuming and photos I definitely without doubt err far on the conservative side (I'm much more comfortable in a dress than 2 piece). However, what also guides me in many of my choices are the everyday Arabs that I spent time with while traveling and studying in the ME. by this I mean neighbours, taxi drivers, friends, etc. I had a lot of conversations about ME dance, and I found that many of them, loved old dancers, like Tahiya and Samia and Naima Akif. The reason for this? They always said they were classy, and cute. That's also what made them sexy. I think I try to be classy in shoots in order to represent the kind of dance I hope I actually perform. I like to think that those who knew me in the ME would still think highly of me after seeing my photos or watching me dance, and that I did their comments justice.

    What many people I knew said they had a problem with new dancers because of a) skimpy costuming and b) what they felt was the heavy selling of sexuality over art.

    When I have a photo shoot, or buy a costume, I have to ask myself what kind of audience I want to attract. I like to minimize the amount of creepy phone calls I get asking for "private" dances and bachelor parties. I've danced for some very conservative audiences (i.e. "no skin showing from the neck down please") that would not otherwise hire a belly dancer because they're afraid of what the dancer will wear or do, but consider my costuming and performance modest enough for them. I can't pass judgement on dancers I don't know who post near crotch shots or boudoir photos, but I do suspect they get far more creepy phone calls and propositions than I do ;)


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Well, you know, a shot that indicates you are a bit sexy is fine in my book. I did once accidentally see a picture of a well-known internet bellydance presence in knickers posing "artlessly" beside a bed, which I found really creepy, but that was one of those coincidences - someone sent me a link to some pin-up shots. I don't think a frilly g-string and Lolita expression does a BDer any good however. We probably do have to be careful about all images of ourselves on the internet if we are working professionally, as I guess we can't always assume that the customer at the shisha bar is not also a person who peruses "boudoir" photos online.


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    There's a delicate balance between looking sexy versus looking like a sex worker.

    I think one useful criterion is, "Would that pose occur naturally when dancing at a family-oriented restaurant or wedding gig?"

    Lying on one's back, reclining on rumpled sheets, with eyes dreamily only half open and lips parted would NOT meet this test. That's a boudoir shot, and NOT a natural scene that would appear in a family-oriented gig. It might be fine to display in the dancer's home as an art piece, but I don't think it's appropriate for collateral used to market our dance such as web sites, business cards, brochures, etc.

    The same could be said of other typical pinup girl poses. For example, none of the poses shown on this web page are ones I'd want to see used to market belly dancing: Men Photographed in Stereotypical Pin-Up Poses


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    There's a delicate balance between looking sexy versus looking like a sex worker.
    Yes! and lets face it, that is what we complain about the most. I have no problem with sexy/sensual images but the 'visual promise of sex'? thats something else.

    Lying on one's back, reclining on rumpled sheets, with eyes dreamily only half open and lips parted would NOT meet this test. That's a boudoir shot,
    Believe it or not, I found a number of webpages with these sort of shots followed by .. 'belly dancing is all about women dancing for each other..'

    It might be fine to display in the dancer's home as an art piece, but I don't think it's appropriate for collateral used to market our dance such as web sites, business cards, brochures, etc.
    Hence the reason I raised this.

    How we publicise ourselves depends on how much we are focused on ourselves Versus a collective represenation of the dance and wider community.

    I guess this thread for me is about stepping back for a second and perhaps evaluating how 'we sell ourselves' and the dance. This does not mean I want to go for censorship, and no two people can agree on appropriateness, but we can decide for ourselves if our images truly represent who we are.

    Oh the power of advertising.. and yes, sex sells.
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    thanks for the men/pin-up link! what a laugh! this thread makes me wanna say "Tyrannosauras Sex"! I mean, Lubwa? What could be scarier than devouring a submissive man? oh, yeah...Puritinism!


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    Quote Originally Posted by kina View Post

    I recently saw a promo picture of a dancer who is wearing one of those metal bra covers over skin, cover being a misnomer here. But she was upright.
    Every time I see that picture, it bothers me. I imagine that if you wear it for a photo, you might wear it for performance and it's absolutely unacceptable to wear that for a public performance. There has got to be a line somewhere - nipples ... are that line.

    I hate to say it but it makes me judge her, even though I don't know her. I totally draw conclusions that she is selling her dancing with her sexiness to a point beyond what decent bellydancers would do.

    Now is that the message she wants to send to other dancers? To musicians? To audience members?

    I guess that's why it's important to talk about this topic. So we can check ourselves against perceptions before we commit our marketing dollars to one image or another.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nepenthe View Post
    Every time I see that picture, it bothers me. I imagine that if you wear it for a photo, you might wear it for performance and it's absolutely unacceptable to wear that for a public performance. There has got to be a line somewhere - nipples ... are that line.

    I hate to say it but it makes me judge her, even though I don't know her. I totally draw conclusions that she is selling her dancing with her sexiness to a point beyond what decent bellydancers would do.

    Now is that the message she wants to send to other dancers? To musicians? To audience members?

    I guess that's why it's important to talk about this topic. So we can check ourselves against perceptions before we commit our marketing dollars to one image or another.
    I just hope that she's charging up to standard now. It would be new for her.

    Oh, and that she's wearing a bit more than in that pic.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tourbeau View Post
    Dancers who do a lot of GP gigs (restaurants, parties, etc.) often sell the fantasy, because that's what the public expects. Many customers want an overtly sexy look, and they are not always discerning enough to value skill at least as much as hotness (within reason, obviously, and a lot depends on your market). "In-your-face sexy" probably generates more work than "fun but modest." ...
    Thank you for including "a lot depends on your market." Here (Baltimore, DC area), even at most of the late night venues (or the ones I work at anyway)- they don't want overtly "in your face" sexy. They want "fun, a little modest and sexy as a by-product of all that is naturally in the dance... not intentionally on display with neon signs."

    Quote Originally Posted by Tourbeau View Post
    It's the Arabic word for "lioness," but it has a very loaded connotation... As I understand it, it's seen as a very blatant, threatening idea of potency, in every sense of the word (including the meaning that is the opposite of "impotent"). In other words, do not pick it as your dance name, no matter how much Helen Reddy's "I Am Woman" you're channeling.
    Thank you for the cultural connotations of Lubwa. And THANK YOU for the Helen Reddy reference. I barely remember it, but I do. We had that album in the house when I was young... For those who don't know... Helen Reddy - I am woman ( lyrics on screen) - YouTube

    Quote Originally Posted by Tourbeau View Post
    What looks like a "dynamic dance pose with a prop" to you may look like "Sexy woman! Shaft!" to a more primitive mind.
    Fantastic and true. We can't control how others will see our image... but we can and should control our own images.
    I personally love pin up art... and the old Vargas (and others) belly dancer fantasy pin up. BUT I think that's beautiful art and not something I would use for promotional material.... and I CERTAINLY wouldn't pose laying down in a "come hither" or "oooooh, baby that was fantastic" pose/look and then COMPLAIN about creepy phone calls or creeps at gigs. Don't overtly invite the more primitive minded to indulge in creepiness and THEN also complain about the creeps.
    We each make our own choices and should realize there are consequences of those choices.
    Pose like you're selling sex? You might get more of those odd phone calls and emails.
    Dance like you're selling sex? You might get propositioned more.
    These things ALSO will be a liability in working w other dancers who don't want these things/make other choices. No, they aren't "jellus haters" cos you're "so sexxy"... they simply may be making the business choices not to be associated with someone who makes the "lubwa choices" because of how people often treat those women.
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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    Quote Originally Posted by kina View Post
    I just hope that she's charging up to standard now. It would be new for her.
    Oh, and that she's wearing a bit more than in that pic.
    ... or maybe this is WHY she can't afford "more" costume.


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    Re: The business of 'posing'

    ok..12 pages of google..lubwa..a region in the Congo? Help!

    PS ...38 seconds in...

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