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Old 05-17-2007, 05:45 PM   #1
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costume help for Ghawazee skirt/bra.Please?

Hi guys;I;m soon to start private lessons on Ghawazee and would love to start making my costume.Iwas thinking of a skirt /bra and turkish vest'but not sure on fabrics for skirt and bra.I have seen the bra for this costume covererd in sequins like material;but not sure if this is the correct look or weather it should be more gypsy looking.Any help or even some post with pictures would help a lot I also like the tunic look over the skirt.Any ideas? thanks again guys.stef.
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Old 05-17-2007, 06:06 PM   #2
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What kind of Ghawazi are you learning?

If it is from a specific period or family then the costuming may well be specific too; think Banat Mazin 70's/80's (?) onwards with their short skirts and strips over the top or the ottoman-esque "Ghawazi" coat/vest whose main inspiration seems to be orientalist paintings.
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Alexandria's group at www.ghawazee.com has some good pictures.
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:54 AM   #4
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This will sound pretty stupid i guess but i had no idea there where different styles of Ghawazee' the only type i knew about is the type danced in the very upper top end of egypt;maybe that would be the old style i guess.I know i dont like the short dresses i prefere the the more gypsy style skirt with bra' and belero or tunic maybe .Is the Ghawazee from the upper region Egypt the old style with the type of costuming I;ve discribed or am i right off the beat?Sorry this is as much as i know HELPPP.lol stef.
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Hi guys;I;m soon to start private lessons on Ghawazee and would love to start making my costume.Iwas thinking of a skirt /bra and turkish vest'but not sure on fabrics for skirt and bra.I have seen the bra for this costume covererd in sequins like material;but not sure if this is the correct look or weather it should be more gypsy looking.Any help or even some post with pictures would help a lot I also like the tunic look over the skirt.Any ideas? thanks again guys.stef.
It does depend on the era you are looking at. We mocked up costumes based on the David Roberts Painting of tunics and pantaloons..photo somewhere on my gallery but they also wore a very full skirt with a little vest or waist length jacket over a gauzy blouse. I assume you might not wanna go bare breasted.
If you go to Shira's site and to clip art there's sketches by Meira? based on the first costume and also a later one with vest, blouse and skirt with strips hanging from the belt.
Today they wear a beledi dress with beads and pailettes.
If you google images of the Ghawazee, you'll get all the ideas I just have for an article and link to some good pages. try www.bdancer.com also.
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This will sound pretty stupid i guess but i had no idea there where different styles of Ghawazee' the only type i knew about is the type danced in the very upper top end of egypt;maybe that would be the old style i guess.I know i dont like the short dresses i prefere the the more gypsy style skirt with bra' and belero or tunic maybe .Is the Ghawazee from the upper region Egypt the old style with the type of costuming I;ve discribed or am i right off the beat?Sorry this is as much as i know HELPPP.lol stef.
Yep, quite a range of ghawazee - although most of what is taught is Banat Maazin I suspect. I have NEVER seen them in a bra and belt. Has anyone else? As a rule, folkloric styles are performed more covered. Sounds like you are looking at a more Spanish costume - which I'm not sure would really be appropriate.
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Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this... I was looking for some notes from a Denise Enan workshop where I took sketches of photos of the Kawmiyya version of the banat maazin costume from whom they learnt their style of ghawazi and then adapted to the troupe/stage, and photos of the original mazin cossie... pictures of both will probable be floating around online for 'clearer' inspiration.





The Mazin costume of the short skirt etc was invented by the family more or less recently... the 70's I think and had gradually faded out through the eighties

But I Love It!!! I tell ya, if I had the legs for it and I was making a ghawazi style costume from scratch I would style it around that classic mazin design.

Here is a med list post (snipped) where Morocco of NY details the costume:

"For the entire time that they wore that style of costuming, which
was
*their own idea*, the Banat Maazin made their own skirts, which
consisted
of 4 meters of net fabric, totally had fringed with *several* rows of
bugle
bead fringe, with paillettes at the ends. It was gathered over a
strong,
thin rope at the waist/hip & ended up weighing over 30 pounds, so that
it
had to be worn over a padded "bumper", to prevent it from falling down.

When the 3 older sisters were dancing together, at first the skirts
were
much longer: mid calf length, then they gradually got shorter & shorter
.... 8-)"

and:

"(They) 1) used tulle, which they totally bugle-bead fringed, with paillettes
at
the end, in row upon row, none of which were used in that way before
them.
Paillettes are plastic, made from petro chemicals & did not exist at
the
time, though metal sequints did.

2) needed/ made/ used the padded hip-bumper under their skirts -
otherwise
the sheer weight of the beads would have meant that those skirts hit
the
ground at Mach 5 speed!

3) made/ wore the elaborate "taaj" or "crown", which is supposed to
represent flowers (or so they said), which are not always available
....
(kinda like the colored wool pom-poms on some fellaha scarves, which
are
supposed to represent flowers) & was not Elizabethan .... something
with
which they would have had no acquaintance at all ....

4) wore a short, fitted vest over an opaque, fitted, leotard-like body
suit
(later over a turtle-neck sweater: yuck!)

5) added the base-metal, mass-produced "dowry necklaces" at the bottom
of
the short vest ...."
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Ah, If you need any of my chicken scratchings translated please just ask :-)
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Old 05-24-2007, 02:49 AM   #9
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Wow...nanda bear, nobody gets down to details like you do...you know, your still my fav artist!!
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teehee... details like "sausage" and "hanging things"...?
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