Huh?

[anala]

What the hell is a crassel? Is that shortspeak for a crack tassel?

[rosehips]

Originally Posted by anala

What the hell is a crassel? Is that shortspeak for a crack tassel?

it's bhuz terminology for a crotch tassel.

[anala]

ah ha...close! I may just be catching on around here...but I still am clueless when it comes to the coffee table reference I have seen in old posts....

[Sashy]

Originally Posted by rosehips

it's bhuz terminology for a crotch tassel.

A bhuzzism.

[Gia al Qamar]

Looooks like someone's got Lil Kim envyyyyy...

[shimarella]

Boy, we sometimes walk right into these no-win discussions, don't we?

It's a tough one, it's on Youtube so it's really in public domain and totally open to comment. Is it better to comment on the Youtube thread or to bring it to a message board that's all about discussing the dance in general? Does it matter if the poster/performer didn't bring the discussion and yet the video is definitely "out there" for viewing and commentary?

Anyway, without passing too much judgement, I'll just say that the costume didn't jive well with the musical choice AND the stage setting, for my tastes.

[TribalDancer]

Originally Posted by kahaz

I am actually totally speechless. It was like a car wreck-you don't want to look but you have to.

Kitty

Yes. *eyes glazed*

Originally Posted by catwomyn

So many of these clueless little Rachel Brice wannabes running around - if you wanna do burlesque, do burlesque. Your mother might be embarrassed but nobody else would care.

How can you POSSIBLY think this has anything to do with Rachel Brice? The style was purely cabaret (bad cabaret at that).

Originally Posted by NajlaHalem

I think the costume is offensive. I know that the tribal people like the garter style, but I don't and this is a particularly unattractive (to me) version.!

The costume was burly-cabaret. And in most cases of garter-pant assassination in tribal, it at least comes to the mid thigh. This is purely a throwback to Delilah AmCab thighs-a-flarin' with an industrial raver fusion thing.

It was in no way tribal, nor even a poor emulation of tribal, in my opinion. Please, let's stop lumping all the WTF categorized dancing and costuming to tribal. And even if it does have an element of something sometimes found in the outer funky reaches of tribal, doesn't make it tribal either.

My thoughts on the costume were beautifully articulated by Ozma above. If she is such a stellar costumer, as is evidenced by this gorgeous BURLESQUE costume, then she should have a better grasp of appropriate context, as well as proper use of the costume as a tool of the dance. The reason costumes have largely evolved as thay have is to best serve the DANCE. It shouldn't detract, but should enhance. And I am sorry to say...this in no way enhanced this performance.


I am not sure where I would begin with constructive criticism of the dancing itself. I think I would start by suggesting she take that video down from public view.

[anala]

yall please go to the Bordello cave thread...Her instructor is there and has weighed in....

[Amaryllis]

Originally Posted by Sashy

What about the zoom shots to the vibrating,shivering thigh???

Gives a whole to meaning to the 1920's saying "Shake a leg"!

Seriously - WTF....The costume, what can I say...I don't have the words. The crotch shots to the audience

All in all...my opinion=

[annwyn]

Originally Posted by darkangel7631

ok......I'll say this the dancing was not bad in my opinion but the costume.....lets just say i don't hate it but.....its a costume I think u would wear around ur other half*husband/boyfriend* behind closed doors and curtains....not in front of an audience of people, in my opinion. That is all I am goin to say on this.

My thoughts exactaly, If that was being sold in Freds or VS I would totaly snatch it up...but would never wear it for BD, Her dancing wsnt bad...I have seen way worse

[Sashy]

< outer funky reaches of tribal>

Whatever.

[nitewindz]

Originally Posted by ozma

I was a bit surprised to learn that she's a costumer, although the general crafting of the bustle looks well done I wonder about other choices she's made.

Because I costume a little, I'll critique that.

The garterness doesn't bother me, or that strange bustle, but I'd prefer to see it on someone who is doing more fusion than she is because I would then be able to understand why the alternative costume was being used. You put that to brassy-er more aggressive music that harkens to burly or can-can or naughty cabarets...it would seem more fitting. Music should inform the motion and the costume.

I think the bustle would make far more sense if it were used to accent her hip movements like if she ever turned around and did hip accents with her back to the audience. As is it just isn't used to full effect...she sits on it.

I'm not so happy with the fringe.

If you're going to strip down a costume you need to make sure that the parts that you do keep make sense. If you attach a bustle, use it. If you are going to fringe the bra it makes more sense to move that fringe up onto the bra cup where it's going to move with shoulder and chest movements, not place it under the cups where it just moves a bit with your body in general.

I think the lace-up back makes the bra seem more interesting and exciting that it would with out, but I'd like to see the lacing also incorporated with the belt, perhaps on the side or above the garter bets in the front (probably faux lacing there so she wouldn't expose skin needlessly) or laced arm decorations instead of the belted wrist things.

Be wary of crotch fringe if it hangs lower than your costume crotch! I was iffy here. If her bra fringe choices had brought my eye up a bit I wouldn't have fixated on the crotch fringe.

I agree. A good costume enhances the movements. As a costume, it's very nice, I really like it! As a dance costume, it *might* work - for a different dance. As a costume for the dance she did - it doesn't work for me.

[nitewindz]

Originally Posted by tabitha

I bought some pants from her at a local festival (fly pants) and I found them very well made and worth the price, so I went ahead and bought a little wrap around shirt. So so so cute. I get tons of complements on her stuff and even turned my ballet teacher onto her. If your interested here's her website:

Flash Page Careful, there's music on the first page.

Wow some very cool stuff there! I like those velvet fly pants ... as a matter of fact, I like them so much I just might "borrow" an idea from them, to spice up the stretch velvet bell bottoms I made for myself last fall...

But the performance still does not work for me.

[shimmycelia]

Her dancing wsnt bad...I have seen way worse[/quote]

REALLY ?!!!

[shimmycelia]

Originally Posted by danidance

If you're going to belly dance in garter belts then I think you should be ready for the commentary.

BTW, I refuse to do warm and fuzzies for someone who clearly represents the opposite of the kind of respect and regard we typically say we want for this dance form. My brain can't be that "two faced"

Thank you - I agree -