Dancing no longer a workout?

[stardancer]

Has anyone else found that they no longer get an aerobic workout from dancing? Especially Egyptian style? I have noticed in the last year or so that when I do a normal 20 min set I barely raise my heart rate, I don't sweat at all and I am definitely not getting a workout. I don't know if it's because I have a lot of ooey gooey moves and subtle accents or if it is because 20 min is no longer a challenge. Even with a 5 min drum solo i barely get winded. However, dancing with a band really is a workout since they can't seem to figure out what 20 min means and there is a lot more fast,upbeat music. That's it...I just need live music more often...

[Whisper]

The same thing happened to me within the first year of dancing. I just figured my body became use to it?? In my mind I likened it to when you 'plateau' in dieting or exercise and what you've been doing no longer brings results.

[sumayasaahir]

I agree. I need a more high impact faster tempo cardio workout. I dont think this dance should be marketed as a great way to loose weight unless you are teaching the hoppier folkloric styles...

[Arella]

I dont think this dance should be marketed as a great way to loose weight unless you are teaching the hoppier folkloric styles...

I agree,,, I am constantly asked if belly dance is good exercise and while everyone else in the area says it is... I have a hard time agreeing...
esp, in a "dance class"
I mean typically in most classes,,,, theres talking for the first 5 min... alittle warm up/stretch...getting
music ready, maybe a little more talking..... working on a piece of a routine..
going over it slowly,,,, asking ques.... more slowly..... next piece,,, repeat slowing going over it... everyone 'gets it',,, run through maybe 3 or 4 times,
heart rate picks up a bit... maybe the beginning of a sweat!!...
end of class... stretch

There are exceptions ofcourse... (Suhaila's classes come to mine!)
And ofcourse advanced classes are more active...
but typically I can't see really getting in sharp doing a couple of beginner
bellydance classes a week... like people seem to want to believe will happen...

[gotraqs]

I think it depends quite a lot on your workout. When I do an hour of drills, I'm pretty sweaty by the end. I think staying in motion helps a lot.

[kina]

Aziza Sa'id says (somewhere on her website, hey, where did she go?) that you should be able to dance for a full hour at the rate that you would for a performance, which is a cardiovascular workout.

While the performance itself might be only 20 minutes, your practice sessions should not be.

Depending on the level, my classes are cardio, albeit low intensity. I take a combination, break it down and treat it like an aerobics class, we do the movement half tempo until I'm sure people have it, then tempo then double time, then from the top. These combination add up, so working on 30 seconds of a piece can take an hour and people will have experienced a cardio impact and sweat.

I like it better when my assistant is there though, she can keep demo-ing while I go around correcting. If I don't have someone at the front of the class, people tend to stop working, dunno what that's about.

When I'm practicing, i tend to stop and look at what I'm doing so if I don't like how something looks, i will work it until I do. When I'm performing, it's still a cardio workout because my movements are bigger than when I'm practicing.

[Kimahri]

I'm going to have to disagree. If a large portion of the class is talking/questions/stretching that's a choice of class structure and teaching style, not that this dance can't provide a good workout. I do a lot of cross-training because my body is more conditioned to dancing but the sweaty hordes leaving my classes every week are getting a good workout while dance training.

~~Kimahri

[mish_mish]

Originally Posted by sumayasaahir

I agree. I need a more high impact faster tempo cardio workout. I dont think this dance should be marketed as a great way to loose weight unless you are teaching the hoppier folkloric styles...

Yep. I agree. For most people, unless you are in a belly fitness class, there isn't going to be much in the way of cardio. It's fun, and it does help increase flexibility, body awareness, and toning, but it's not the same as 30 minutes on the treadmill for me.

[stardancer]

When I posted I wasn't speaking of class or practice time so much as actually performing. Sometimes I see pictures of dancers during a performance and I am like, "why are they so sweaty?" I'm wondering if it is because they are doing a long piece, it's hot where they are or if they are actually getting a workout from it.... cause i know when I am performing I'm not getting a workout! I think class has the potential to be aerobic though. All the time I hear people say to me "wow, you must feel that in the morning" I usually tell them it is no more physically taxing for me than taking a walk outside since I have been doing this for almost a decade now.

[tattood1]

DANCE classes often aren't work outs. you are learning a move, a beat, being told what attitude etc & maaaybe the last half hour you run thru a choreo vigorously.

i just quit a ballet folklorico class recently cause we stood around too much.

i get students who have desk jobs who do consider my class a work out but it isn't for me & i'm having weight trouble so i'm trying all sorts of stuff like yoga, an elliptical, latin dances etc.

i do think once you "get" it & have cardio for an hour you need to cross train. many pros do. jillina's very cute personal trainer would arrive after i was leaving hauling in weights & ona those big balls. i asked her about it & she said yes she didn't just bd.

many names irl for a living for a are aerobic instructors or yoga instructors. so they often don't just bellydance. tina

[mish_mish]

You can tell the people who just belly dance!

[mahsati]

Originally Posted by stardancer

When I posted I wasn't speaking of class or practice time so much as actually performing. Sometimes I see pictures of dancers during a performance and I am like, "why are they so sweaty?" I'm wondering if it is because they are doing a long piece, it's hot where they are or if they are actually getting a workout from it.... cause i know when I am performing I'm not getting a workout! I think class has the potential to be aerobic though. All the time I hear people say to me "wow, you must feel that in the morning" I usually tell them it is no more physically taxing for me than taking a walk outside since I have been doing this for almost a decade now.

Part of the sweating thing is also the way your body reacts to exercise. When I first became a dancer, I would almost never sweat. I could dance for hours without sweating, but I also over-heated more than once. As my body became more accustomed to the 2-3 hour class sessions, practices, rehearsals and long performances, I began to sweat more. I was concerned about it, so I talked to my doctor who explained to me that since my body is accustomed to the length and strenuousness of the workout, that it has been conditioned to sweat more readily than before. It still happens to me now, after 10 years of doing this every day - and probably always will :) Other people's bodies may react differently, but my doctor sad it is a part of the normal variation.

[tattood1]

i was always told that if you manage your breathing you will sweat less. many people due to nerves inadvertently hold their breath while dancing & eventually become a sweaty mess. tina

[*Shira*]

Every time this question comes up, my answer would be, "It depends on what you mean by a 'workout'".

I agree with Sumaya that it won't push your heart rate into the cardio zone unless you do bouncy folkloric stuff, but is more compatible with weight loss goals than sitting on the couch watching tv and eating ice cream.

It IS aerobic, in the sense that it provokes movement of large muscles and prompts them to burn oxygen, thereby burning more calories than the act of typing a message here on bhuz.

It DOES strengthen and tone muscles more effectively than curling up and reading a book, though it won't give you the strength that comes of dedicated weight training. My rolfer told me after probing my deep abdominal muscles that I have MUCH better tone on my deeper level of abs than most people, because crunches typically don't reach the deeper layers. She said it's much healthier to have your deeper layer match your surface layer, as mine does.

And of course, Kimahri makes a valid point that it depends on what you do in class. Some classes involve moving continuously more than others do.

Whether you're talking about burning calories, improving flexibility, or building strength, belly dancing is going to give you more benefit than doing something sedentary. To me, the question is, "What are you comparing belly dance to?" If it gets someone off the couch and moving, getting activity they otherwise wouldn't get, it's good exercise.

[tattood1]

when my students ask this i say my class is like walking around the block. in other words low impact. iif you have trouble walking around the block you'll get something out of my class. if you are a jock chick no. i then point out it is dance and you get more than a workout with dance. it is a creative process too.

when weight comes up i tell them flatly i lost a few pounds just getting off the sofa but when i lost real weight a year back it was because i DIETED. i then say i gained that weight back cause i stopped dieting.

i stress that my figure is not the result of bellydance (yes i get does bellydance make you fat, ruin your stomach questions) i stress my figure is the result of donuts. totally separate issue. i then say if you bellydance, run, weight lift whatev everyday but eat bad it won't matter.

in short i tell them it is a good start if you don't usually exercise. tina

dancing has ceased being a "workout" for me AGES ago.
Even flamenco, I only break a sweat when I'm practicing escobillas for hours.

The only dance I get a SERIOUS sweat workout in is African. It's killer.
Even the people who have been dancing it for years are sweating it up.

That being said, I have to be *really* careful when I'm teaching, because 90% of my classes are filled with out of shape people, and I just don't mean the way they look, I mean aerobically.

[Kimahri]

I'll never take diet out of the weight loss equation but where exercise is concerned impact and intensity are two different things. It is very possible for a workout to be both low-impact (kind to the joints) and high-intensity (significant cardio).

~~Kimahri

African dance is definitely hard on the joints. At least the style taught around here. Too much jumping for me.

[tattood1]

gahhh african!!!

yay it's easy to think you're fit when you just bellydance then you go do something else & get your butt handed to you. tina

[Safiyah]

I sweat more during performance; I think that the adrenaline rush has a lot to do with it. Even though I only dance for 20 minutes, my body is operating at level 10. After coming down from that rush I'm more tired than I'd usually be - even though at home I practice 45 min to an hour or more at a time and don't feel tired afterwards.

Also, just because someone isn't sweating doesn't mean they aren't getting a workout.

[zamora]

i found that happening too.
i do understand that our bodies "get used" to what we do
so, instead of coaching 3 days a week, i took more clients, expanded to 5 days....it's working again!
z