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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by ssipes View Post
    Dunyah, if you are eating low fat, then I would suspect that your % calories from carbs is still rather high even though your food choices are very healthy. I'm not saying that's bad -- for you, if your blood chemistry, weight, energy, etc is good then its obviously good for you. Individual physiologies matter alot. It wouldn't work for me.

    I generally eat between 30 and 40% of my calories from fat. As long as it is mostly good fats I don't worry about it. I define good and bad fats a little differently than some people also -- I consider trans fats bad (of course) but also polyunsaturated vegetable oils with very high omega 6 to omega 3 ratios (e.g. the agricultural byproducts corn oil, cottonseed oil, soybean oil) are "bad".

    Good fats are fats high in monounsaturated fats and omega 3's, so nuts, avocados, olive oil and olives, oily fish, fish and krill supplements.

    With respect to animal fats, both the zone diet and the southbeach diet authors (both M.D.'s) differentiate between super bad and not so bad animal fats. Dairy fat is super bad. Fat from meats, seafoods, eggs (especially if the animals are fed natural diets) are not so bad. It has to do with the density of the molecules and their propensity to contribute to arteriosclerosis. Unfortunately I love dairy fat, but I try to minimize it. So, I consider meat and egg fat is just sort of neutral. I don't worry too much about them in small to moderate amounts.

    With respect to blood chemistry, it almost seems like to more fat and less carbs I eat, the better the test results are.

    edited to add: metabolic syndrome runs in my family too. I never had it but at one time I had very high cholesterol (289) and was probably heading towards the rest.
    I don't count calories or carbs or eat "low fat" except that I avoid fatty foods and add only 1 Tbsp of oil per day to my food, usually as salad dressing. I just eat what I'm supposed to eat at the intervals I am supposed to eat it, rotate my foods so that I am not eating the same things day after day, and it works for me. I follow a specific food plan that consists of a long list of foods that are "allowed" and a formula for combining those foods at each meal.

    I avoid completely sugars, refined flour of all kinds, and wheat in any form.

    Keeping it simple is best for me, the less I have to think about it, the easier it is to put together the right combinations of foods that are keeping me healthy.

    I'm not sure about percentages, but a typical dinner would be a cup of raw veggies, a cup of cooked veggies, a cup or one-half cup of starchy food, depending on which food it is, and 4 oz. meat or fish, one cup beans, 6 oz. tofu, or two eggs. I eat fruit and dairy twice a day also.

    Interesting to hear about the bad fats in dairy, I used to eat tons of cheese but no longer eat cheese at all.

    I was taught that alcohol is the most refined form of sugar on the planet.


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    [QUOTE=Lauren_;657501]I agree that it's individual.

    Did you mean to type 60% carb, 30% fat, 10% protein? That's in line with what's generally recommended, and I've switched the percentages that way myself by mistake a couple of times.

    Totally did.


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    I'm sticking to the Michael Pollan diet:
    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly vegetables.


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    Timely this.I decided Wed to go on a low GI diet..in other words change my eating. I already eat no meat, platefuls of vegs and fruit but needto swap potatoes for something else and all those egg pastas for wholemeal and white rice for brown. That's easy but folks I also love fruit juices which nearly all seem high GI. Firstly where does my favourite pomegranate and pom and blueberry stand in the list (it's not on any I can find) and which juices are the lowest?


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Azhia View Post
    I'm sticking to the Michael Pollan diet:
    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly vegetables.
    I just love this. Sums it up, really. Takes a lot of understanding and willpower to follow, of course.


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Lizajuk, just about any fruit juice is going to have a high GI, for sure higher than eating the fruit itself. IMO they should be consumed only occasionally and in small serving sizes. One thing that helps is diluting them half and half with water or club soda. Still it is woefully easy to chug down a huge amount of sugar in a very short amount of time.

    The other important factor besides GI is glycemic load (GL). The GL depends on the GI, the serving size and how dense in calories the food is.

    Brown rice has a GI just barely lower than white rice. Pasta has a lower GI than most starches. Again, whole grain pasta is only a little bit lower than white. Both rice and pasta have very high glycemic loads, especially given the serving sizes that most people eat of these.

    What are you eating for protein and fats?


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    I agree that it's important to be cautious of glycemic index, and it's wise to cut back on starches.

    But that's not the only problem with the advice we've been getting from the American Heart Association. The American Heart Association is well-intentioned, but like any other collection of human beings they are vulnerable to in-fighting, peer pressure, hubris, arrogance, unintended misinterpretation of evidence, pressure from other parties (in this case, drug companies), and strong personalities, all of which add up to recommendations that can be flawed.

    Somewhere around the 1960's, researchers discovered there was a statistical correlation between high levels of cholesterol and heart disease. However, as any good statistician will tell you, the existence of a correlation does not necessarily indicate a cause/effect relationship. Unfortunately, the last half century of heart health research, drug development, and recommendation have all centered around the assumption that high cholesterol causes heart disease. Now, some researchers are starting to courageously challenge that assumption, suggesting that perhaps instead high cholesterol is a SYMPTOM of heart disease, but NOT a cause. So lowering cholesterol is like hiding an open wound under a long sleeve - it makes you look better, but it doesn't fix the problem.

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    The past few decades, the standard of care is for people with high cholesterol to be put on drug therapies such as statins (Lipitor, red rice yeast, etc.) Statins can cause loss of memory, loss of ability to concentrate, serious arthritis-like pain (especially in the hands), etc. There's even a book titled Lipitor: The Thief of Memory. And guess what - when people start finding that they're losing their memory and mental acuity, or starting to feel arthritis-like pain, they assume it's just a normal part of getting older. They don't suspect it's being caused by the drug.

    And then there's Zedia, a drug that seeks to block cholesterol absorption in the GI tract. It can cause serious GI tract distress. I've known 2 different people, both over the age of 80, who had such serious gastric pain they actually said death would be preferable. In both cases, when they learned that it could be a side effect of this drug, and they discontinued the drug, the issue immediately cleared up.

    It's criminal what we're doing to our elderly people with these drugs. But yet, lowering cholesterol is the standard of care. After my mom's cardio bypass surgery, her doctor prescribed a statin drug for her even though she didn't have high cholesterol simply because that was the standard recommendation.

    There is not even one medical study that shows that in women lowering cholesterol will improve mortality. Not one. And yet many women are urged to take cholesterol-lowering drugs. In men, there does appear to be some benefit in lowering cholesterol among younger men (in their 50's and 60's), but there is no study showing benefit in lowering cholesterol in men over 80.

    Bringing this back to the subject of diet, we had a generation of people believing they should eliminate animal fats such as butter from their diets, substituting margarine, in order to lower their cholesterol. And now we've learned that these trans-fats are actually worse for one's health.

    We have a generation of vegetarians eating lots of soy as a major source of the protein their bodies need. The problem is that soy can stimulate estrogen-like behavior in the body. Excess estrogen can disrupt metabolism, create "female problems", fuel breast cancer growth, promote belly fat, and cause migraines.
    Last edited by *Shira*; 04-30-2010 at 10:18 AM.


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    Shira, I agree with you totally. When my cholesterol was high, I did alot of digging around in the primary research literature and discovered that there is little evidence to suggest that dietary cholesterol causes heart disease.

    I eat a lot of meat and eggs, lots of olive oil and nuts, and some occasional butter and cheese, and my cholesterol is 100 pts lower (and my weight 30 lbs lighter) than when I was trying to avoid animal fats and eat the 60/30/10 diet.


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by ssipes View Post
    Lizajuk, just about any fruit juice is going to have a high GI, for sure higher than eating the fruit itself. IMO they should be consumed only occasionally and in small serving sizes. One thing that helps is diluting them half and half with water or club soda. Still it is woefully easy to chug down a huge amount of sugar in a very short amount of time.

    The other important factor besides GI is glycemic load (GL). The GL depends on the GI, the serving size and how dense in calories the food is.

    Brown rice has a GI just barely lower than white rice. Pasta has a lower GI than most starches. Again, whole grain pasta is only a little bit lower than white. Both rice and pasta have very high glycemic loads, especially given the serving sizes that most people eat of these.

    What are you eating for protein and fats?
    Thanks for that.
    I don't eat meat. I eat fish..some oily, I eat nuts ( sparingly) and a little cheese ( strong real cheese!). I'm a fruit and veg addict. I only use virgin olive oil in a spray. I have a struggle to eat anything fatty..it turns my stomach. Don't like many cakes and biscuits ( cookies) but am having to struggle not to eat potatoes . Replacing white bread is no problem.
    The reading I've been doing states that reasonable portions are pasta are OK ..sigh and my favourite crunchy peanut butter indulgance is OK also.


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Sedonia, what ratio have you been eating?


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    Re: It's the carbs!

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    And then there's Zedia, a drug that seeks to block cholesterol absorption in the GI tract. It can cause serious GI tract distress. I've known 2 different people, both over the age of 80, who had such serious gastric pain they actually said death would be preferable. In both cases, when they learned that it could be a side effect of this drug, and they discontinued the drug, the issue immediately cleared up.

    It's criminal what we're doing to our elderly people with these drugs. But yet, lowering cholesterol is the standard of care. After my mom's cardio bypass surgery, her doctor prescribed a statin drug for her even though she didn't have high cholesterol simply because that was the standard recommendation.

    There is not even one medical study that shows that in women lowering cholesterol will improve mortality. Not one. And yet many women are urged to take cholesterol-lowering drugs. In men, there does appear to be some benefit in lowering cholesterol among younger men (in their 50's and 60's), but there is no study showing benefit in lowering cholesterol in men over 80.

    Bringing this back to the subject of diet, we had a generation of people believing they should eliminate animal fats such as butter from their diets, substituting margarine, in order to lower their cholesterol. And now we've learned that these trans-fats are actually worse for one's health.

    We have a generation of vegetarians eating lots of soy as a major source of the protein their bodies need. The problem is that soy can stimulate estrogen-like behavior in the body. Excess estrogen can disrupt metabolism, create "female problems", fuel breast cancer growth, promote belly fat, and cause migraines.
    Interesting reading, Shira. I'm on statins. With the menopause both my cholesterol and BP went up even though it had only been low and I am not terribly overweight. My BP is still on the top of average but here in the UK, ideas about BP are chaning and they are saying it is worse to have BP that varies greatly than BP that is slightly high all the time. Is this a reflection of US thinking? But back to cholesterol. Mine went down dramatically when I lost even a modest amount of weight hence the new effort as I feel it going back on around the middle! My medication is very low dosage having said that.
    Soy was heavily promoted here for women in the menopause and for a while I used it instead of dairy but then it'd be a rare week when I consumed even a half pint of milk. And as for soya cheese and yoghurt..blergh....


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    Great read, Shira.

    I've never believed anything on the "food pyramid" and I've never been keen to follow the standard American recommendations of what we should be eating. Eating the food on our supermarket shelves has kept me overweight for years. Its kept me addicted to it and powerless against the insulin roller coaster I've been riding all my life.

    Now that I've broken away from that, I feel so much better physically and mentally. I'm hoping that as time ticks by, we as a people will finally take notice of our food crisis in America. It's so unfair that the poison that comes in packages, boxes, and cans is relatively inexpensive versus the things like fresh produce and organic products.

    My diet has changed to the following: I only eat "real" food and I try to do this as inexpensively as I can because I am sooooo broke right now.

    Breakfast:
    4 oz of protein (or two eggs)
    1/2 cup of dry oatmeal (which makes a bowl)
    2 tsp of organic granulated sugar
    1 piece of fruit (or 6 oz serving)

    Lunch:
    4 oz of protein (which is usually left over meat from dinner)
    8 oz of salad
    1 Tbs of olive oil or oil based salad dressing
    1 serving of a cooked vegetable (inclusive to potato/starch vegetables except corn.)
    1 piece of fruit or 6 oz serving

    Dinner:
    4 ox protein
    8 oz of salad greens
    a cooked vegetable (Again, doesn't matter if it's starchy or not.)

    Snack:
    I eat a thing of Fat free yogurt before going to the gym. This way I've got the protein/carb thing happening and I'm not starving by the time I'm done. I'll also drink a protein shake or something in lieu of yogurt if I feel like it.

    Eating this way sounds complicated, but it is not. Eating this way keeps my addiction to carbs/sugar in check and I'm not slathering at the mouth for chocolate...even though the food plan isn't really all that "low carb". However, I've decided that I'm not going to be so crazy. If I want to do this for the rest of my life, I'll have a piece of chocolate and simply enjoy it rather than eat it, hate myself, cry over it, then eat more. I've so far been able to do this without going on a binge-fest. I've had one piece of chocolate in the past week and a bag of popcorn with no guilt...still managed to lose 10 pounds. :)


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Soy has a very mixed reputation. Many people claim that in places where soy is a regular part of the diet and has been for generations, there is a lower level of all kinds of diseases. One of my friends who is a Doctor of Chinese Med. told me once that you really have to chew coy well to have it break down enough to be absorbed and make a huge difference in your hormonal levels. (I had just started eating a snack which has roasted soy nuts, pumpkin seeds, almonds and cranberries. For the first time in YEARS I didn't have a migrain with my cycle.)

    The other side or the fence is what Shira is saying.

    The question I always ask is how much is too much? I don't think that has been established to anyones satisfaction yet.

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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Azhia View Post
    I'm sticking to the Michael Pollan diet:
    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly vegetables.
    I love this, too. I think he actually said:
    Eat food. Not too much. Mostly from plants. If it comes from a plant, eat it. If it is made IN a plant, don't eat it."..l;,


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by AllyisLuma View Post
    Great read, Shira.

    I've never believed anything on the "food pyramid" and I've never been keen to follow the standard American recommendations of what we should be eating. Eating the food on our supermarket shelves has kept me overweight for years. Its kept me addicted to it and powerless against the insulin roller coaster I've been riding all my life.

    Now that I've broken away from that, I feel so much better physically and mentally. I'm hoping that as time ticks by, we as a people will finally take notice of our food crisis in America. It's so unfair that the poison that comes in packages, boxes, and cans is relatively inexpensive versus the things like fresh produce and organic products.

    My diet has changed to the following: I only eat "real" food and I try to do this as inexpensively as I can because I am sooooo broke right now.

    Breakfast:
    4 oz of protein (or two eggs)
    1/2 cup of dry oatmeal (which makes a bowl)
    2 tsp of organic granulated sugar
    1 piece of fruit (or 6 oz serving)

    Lunch:
    4 oz of protein (which is usually left over meat from dinner)
    8 oz of salad
    1 Tbs of olive oil or oil based salad dressing
    1 serving of a cooked vegetable (inclusive to potato/starch vegetables except corn.)
    1 piece of fruit or 6 oz serving

    Dinner:
    4 ox protein
    8 oz of salad greens
    a cooked vegetable (Again, doesn't matter if it's starchy or not.)

    Snack:
    I eat a thing of Fat free yogurt before going to the gym. This way I've got the protein/carb thing happening and I'm not starving by the time I'm done. I'll also drink a protein shake or something in lieu of yogurt if I feel like it.

    Eating this way sounds complicated, but it is not. Eating this way keeps my addiction to carbs/sugar in check and I'm not slathering at the mouth for chocolate...even though the food plan isn't really all that "low carb". However, I've decided that I'm not going to be so crazy. If I want to do this for the rest of my life, I'll have a piece of chocolate and simply enjoy it rather than eat it, hate myself, cry over it, then eat more. I've so far been able to do this without going on a binge-fest. I've had one piece of chocolate in the past week and a bag of popcorn with no guilt...still managed to lose 10 pounds. :)
    This is close to the way that I eat. I've really enjoyed being free from the sugar/carb addiction. But I don't eat any sugar at all, that way I get no cravings for it. I don't do well with cravings, I am weak!,f::


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by AllyisLuma View Post
    Great read, Shira.

    I've never believed anything on the "food pyramid" and I've never been keen to follow the standard American recommendations of what we should be eating. Eating the food on our supermarket shelves has kept me overweight for years. Its kept me addicted to it and powerless against the insulin roller coaster I've been riding all my life.

    Now that I've broken away from that, I feel so much better physically and mentally. I'm hoping that as time ticks by, we as a people will finally take notice of our food crisis in America. It's so unfair that the poison that comes in packages, boxes, and cans is relatively inexpensive versus the things like fresh produce and organic products.

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    This is a fantastic post. Thank you for sharing all this.


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    For those who found my post about drug therapies for heart health interesting, here's more:

    If your doctor wants you to take a statin (red rice yeast, Lipitor, etc.), I urge you to read the book Lipitor, the Thief of Memory.

    I know a surgeon who got severe arthritis-like pain in his hands - so severe that he was evaluating the possibility of surgery, and he was terrified his career would end. When we told him about my husband's experience with Lipitor and hand pain, he experimented with discontinuing the Lipitor, and yes, the pain went away within a week! He went back on the Lipitor, and the pain came back almost immediately. Discontinued it again, pain went away. He cycled through 3-4 iterations of discontinuing and restarting, and got consistent results. Needless to say, he decided to stay off the Lipitor, wrote an article about his experience for a peer-reviewed medical journal, and is now pain-free WITHOUT the intervention of arthritis drugs or surgery.

    If your doctor wants you to take a blood pressure medication, I urge you to read about the side effects before you take it. Diuretics are especially cause for concern, if taken daily over the long term. Possible side effects (depending on the drug) can include fogging your mental acuity, making you feel deep levels of fatigue, and hearing loss. I've seen all of these in my mom.

    Also, be aware that in some (but not all) people, the typical advice of taking an aspirin every day for heart health can lead to arthritis-like symptoms in the hands or elsewhere in the body. So if you're taking an aspirin a day on your doctor's advice, you might want to discuss with your doctor the possibility of discontinuing it and seeing if your pain reduces or goes away within a week or two. My husband had lunch with someone at our local University's medical school who said, upon hearing how his hand pain went away when he discontinued daily aspirin, "Yes, it's true, and I can diagram for you exactly why that happens!"

    Also, statin drugs cause coenzyme Q10 to deplete in your body. Coenzyme Q10 is a substance that your body naturally manufactures, and it's beneficial to heart health. Since statins interfere with your body's ability to manufacture it, they can actually worsen your heart's health by depriving it of something it needs. If you're on a statin, I urge you to ask your cardiologist about maybe taken coenzyme Q10 supplements - in the US you can get them over the counter in the supplements in any drugstore or health food store. I think Canada recently changed their recommendations to be that coenzyme Q10 supplements are a MUST when the patient is taking a statin.


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    For those concerned with heart health, you might want to talk to your favorite health care professional about whether you're a good candidate to take L-arginine supplements. It occurs naturally in some foods (such as whey), and it promotes the growth of new blood vessels in the body. In fact, body builders use it to promote blood vessel growth as they bulk up. For people who have plaque build-up in their blood vessels, L-arginine can help grow new vessels that don't contain plaque. It can also help with health of existing vessels, promote better circulation in people with circulation problems, and can help people with peripheral artery disease control the pain or cold feet.


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    Shira, you are a bottomless pit of knowledge. Thank you for sharing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauren_ View Post
    Sedonia, what ratio have you been eating?
    I aim for 30% protein, 30% fat, and 40% carbs (striving for low GI carbs and fats from my good fats list). This is not to say that I always achieve such,r:;

    I often come up just a bit low on protein and a bit high on fat, which doesn't really concern me too much. The problem arises when my carbs start creeping up, which inevitably results in my appetite cranking in to overdrive and my weight creeping up.


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    If your doctor wants you to take a blood pressure medication, I urge you to read about the side effects before you take it. Diuretics are especially cause for concern, if taken daily over the long term. Possible side effects (depending on the drug) can include fogging your mental acuity, making you feel deep levels of fatigue, and hearing loss.


    Wow! I've been on BP meds for over a year, and have experienced all those things. I chalked it up to being a single mom and stressed out. I may need to talk with my nurse practitioner about this. Thanks Shira!


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    I'm on BP medication too, but the side effects of untreated high blood pressure are worth it, the dizziness that I felt at first has lessened quite a bit. (My dose was too high.) ALL of the BP meds except for one have given me unbearable side effects, though, everything from a persistent cough, muscle/joint pain, and fatigue. I may have the mental fogging but that improved so much when my diet improved (no sugar, etc.) that I can't really tell.


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    Okay, I have a funny confession to make. My dyslexic mind always reads this thread title as "It's the crabs!" and I think it's quite progressive that a thread on STI's is here on bhuz . . .


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    Just want to say THANK YOU to SHIRA for taking the time to write all that out. I have known this for years, but unless you get away from "conventional" thinking, you are not apt to come across this information. I bet you and I have read some of the same books on this subject.
    Statins are killer drugs...to be sure. They sure did contribute to the downfall of my mother in law's health.....as did a lack of vitamin D, atrocious diet that was nothing but polyunsaturated ( high omega 6 ) vegetable oils and sugar. I KNOW she died of malnutrition and the cocktail of "medications" they had her on in the nursing home. Fricken criminal if you ask me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ssipes View Post
    I aim for 30% protein, 30% fat, and 40% carbs (striving for low GI carbs and fats from my good fats list). This is not to say that I always achieve such,r:;

    I often come up just a bit low on protein and a bit high on fat, which doesn't really concern me too much. The problem arises when my carbs start creeping up, which inevitably results in my appetite cranking in to overdrive and my weight creeping up.

    Do you ever use Fitday to keep track of your daily intact and how it breaks down? I started doing it a few months back. It's a great free site that tracks whatever information you want to input.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AllyisLuma View Post
    I've never believed anything on the "food pyramid" and I've never been keen to follow the standard American recommendations of what we should be eating. Eating the food on our supermarket shelves has kept me overweight for years. Its kept me addicted to it and powerless against the insulin roller coaster I've been riding all my life.

    Now that I've broken away from that, I feel so much better physically and mentally. I'm hoping that as time ticks by, we as a people will finally take notice of our food crisis in America. It's so unfair that the poison that comes in packages, boxes, and cans is relatively inexpensive versus the things like fresh produce and organic products.
    This, so much. I find it really hard to believe anything anymore that comes as a study from any food-related organisation (we've got them here in good ol' Europe too) because for every study that says one thing, you'll find three that say the opposite.

    I've taken to eating what I deem healthy and watch my body's reaction closely. I'm a vegetarian, eat as little dairy/eggs/processed foods as possible, watch my intake of B12 especially, eat many many many fruits, vegetables and legumes and I don't say no to tofu or potatoes/rice either. So far I've been faring quite well and, if I look around, I'm much healthier than anyone else in my age group who stuff themselves with McDonald's and continue telling me that I must be getting sick from not eating meat/fish/gelatine - weird, I haven't been missing for a single period in school this year, while they constantly are. My menstrual cramps have also gotten much better since I've given up drinking milk during that time. (Never felt better during my menstruation than when I was a vegan, actually.)

    What I don't get is: why would soy have so many bad hormons (I'm bad at formulating this in English, sorry, I hope you know what I mean?) but not milk? I mean, milk is mother's milk, regardless of the animal. Shouldn't there be hormons in there as well?


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post

    What I don't get is: why would soy have so many bad hormons (I'm bad at formulating this in English, sorry, I hope you know what I mean?) but not milk? I mean, milk is mother's milk, regardless of the animal. Shouldn't there be hormons in there as well?
    Soy contains plant chemicals called phytoestrogens. These are naturally occurring in many plants, but are especially high in soy because soybean breeders have been selecting for high phytoestrogen content in recent times.

    Phytoestrogens are not the exactly the same as human estrogen hormones, but they have similar properties in the body.

    This is a separate issue altogether from "hormones" in milk. Non-organic milk may contain traces of hormones that are used to make dairy cows produce more milk.


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    Quote Originally Posted by ssipes View Post
    Soy contains plant chemicals called phytoestrogens. These are naturally occurring in many plants, but are especially high in soy because soybean breeders have been selecting for high phytoestrogen content in recent times.

    Phytoestrogens are not the exactly the same as human estrogen hormones, but they have similar properties in the body.

    This is a separate issue altogether from "hormones" in milk. Non-organic milk may contain traces of hormones that are used to make dairy cows produce more milk.
    Thank you for explaining! I was wondering about that.


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    Re: It's the carbs!

    OK reviving the thread and asking for any experiences.
    After trying a low GI, I expected to experience certain aspects of adjustment. But hey, it went on and on and on. I got more and more exhausted, headaches,breathless ( more so than usual with the ashtma.) Now all this may not be related but is there a connection...Pass that starch?..g.:


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