Thread: Yarus recording/lyrics?

The only recordings I have with vocals for this song have the Hebrew lyrics instead (Erev Shel Shoshanim)- does anyone have recommendations for a good vocal recording with the Arabic version of this song? anyone have a transliteration &/or translation of the Arabic version?

yarus is armenian/turkish. usually used in the veil section. "mirage" has a good rendition..i bet you can find all on line, just not arabic . harry saroyan sings it on one of his albums, but i think he calls it "varter" ?.it is about wilted flowers..sad love lost. i first heard it on "ode to the oude" by john berbarian

Ah, good to know. For some reason I had written down that Varter was the Armenian version and Yarus was the Arabic (but who knows what conversation *that* was from!)
Thank you!

Originally Posted by Lara L

The only recordings I have with vocals for this song have the Hebrew lyrics instead (Erev Shel Shoshanim)- does anyone have recommendations for a good vocal recording with the Arabic version of this song? anyone have a transliteration &/or translation of the Arabic version?

Are you sure "Yarus" is the title of an Arabic version? I would have expected an Arabic variant of this song to have the word "Warda" (which means "rose") in the title.

The composer and lyricist who originally wrote this song were in Israel, which is why the Hebrew version is the predominant one that you're finding. Although I've heard of the version titled "Yarus" I haven't actually encountered a recording under that title with vocals. It may be out there, I just haven't seen it. As Cory said, the CD Yarus by Mirage has a recording of it, but oddly the track on the CD isn't named "Yarus", it's named "Amen Aravod". Go figure. I think Mary Ellen Donald had an instrumental version titled "Yarus" on her "practice music" CD in the bolero medley, but off the top of my head I'm not 100% sure of that.

Are you specifically looking a version in Arabic, or would it suffice to have another non-Hebrew language? Because if non-Hebrew would suffice, in addition to Mirage's recording there's also Harry Saroyan's "Varter". Harry gave me the lyrics translation for his version, which you can find here along with a brief clip: Armenian-American Music: English Translation of Lyrics for Vartér by Harry Saroyan

One of the Armenian verses on Harry's CD was written by Robert Tashjian, and the other by Harry Saroyan himself. I have no idea whether these are the same lyrics used by Mirage on their recording.

Originally Posted by *Shira*

Are you sure "Yarus" is the title of an Arabic version? I would have expected an Arabic variant of this song to have the word "Warda" (which means "rose") in the title.

The composer and lyricist who originally wrote this song were in Israel, which is why the Hebrew version is the predominant one that you're finding. Although I've heard of the version titled "Yarus" I haven't actually encountered a recording under that title with vocals. It may be out there, I just haven't seen it. As Cory said, the CD Yarus by Mirage has a recording of it, but oddly the track on the CD isn't named "Yarus", it's named "Amen Aravod". Go figure. I think Mary Ellen Donald had an instrumental version titled "Yarus" on her "practice music" CD in the bolero medley, but off the top of my head I'm not 100% sure of that.

Are you specifically looking a version in Arabic, or would it suffice to have another non-Hebrew language? Because if non-Hebrew would suffice, in addition to Mirage's recording there's also Harry Saroyan's "Varter". Harry gave me the lyrics translation for his version, which you can find here along with a brief clip: Armenian-American Music: English Translation of Lyrics for Vartér by Harry Saroyan

One of the Armenian verses on Harry's CD was written by Robert Tashjian, and the other by Harry Saroyan himself. I have no idea whether these are the same lyrics used by Mirage on their recording.

"Amen Aravod". that is the first 2 words of the first verse . when working with mirage over 40 years, i know where this comes from. i'll ask, "hey lets open with ma ali"...jim will say, "no, lets do who ti loo"..well, the firsrt verse is ma ali whoo ti loo ...go figure

Originally Posted by *Shira*

Are you sure "Yarus" is the title of an Arabic version? I would have expected an Arabic variant of this song to have the word "Warda" (which means "rose") in the title.

No, I just had this cryptic note stuck on a CD cover, so I am grateful for the correction! I've been learning to sing various songs which crop up regularly in belly dance rotation, and I thought it would be fun to at least check out the other version(s)
I'll take as many versions as I can get!

Originally Posted by zamora

"Amen Aravod". that is the first 2 words of the first verse . when working with mirage over 40 years, i know where this comes from. i'll ask, "hey lets open with ma ali"...jim will say, "no, lets do who ti loo"..well, the firsrt verse is ma ali whoo ti loo ...go figure

forgot...the singer of mirage WILL not sing turkish, so their translation might not be the same as harrys....

***and Lara dreams of sitting both down & drilling them for music tips/history/random stories***

Will ME music workshops be as common as BD workshops someday? I used to rely on my dance teacher to go out and bring new information to this desert of a dance community, and now we have minimum 2 workshops a year. It's not an impossible dream, eh? Hate this long distance learning stuff.

Originally Posted by Lara L

The only recordings I have with vocals for this song have the Hebrew lyrics instead (Erev Shel Shoshanim)- does anyone have recommendations for a good vocal recording with the Arabic version of this song? anyone have a transliteration &/or translation of the Arabic version?

The song is Israeli so why shouldn't the lyrics be in Hebrew?

Originally Posted by *Shira*

Are you sure "Yarus" is the title of an Arabic version? I would have expected an Arabic variant of this song to have the word "Warda" (which means "rose") in the title.

The composer and lyricist who originally wrote this song were in Israel, which is why the Hebrew version is the predominant one that you're finding. Although I've heard of the version titled "Yarus" I haven't actually encountered a recording under that title with vocals. It may be out there, I just haven't seen it. As Cory said, the CD Yarus by Mirage has a recording of it, but oddly the track on the CD isn't named "Yarus", it's named "Amen Aravod". Go figure. I think Mary Ellen Donald had an instrumental version titled "Yarus" on her "practice music" CD in the bolero medley, but off the top of my head I'm not 100% sure of that.

Are you specifically looking a version in Arabic, or would it suffice to have another non-Hebrew language? Because if non-Hebrew would suffice, in addition to Mirage's recording there's also Harry Saroyan's "Varter". Harry gave me the lyrics translation for his version, which you can find here along with a brief clip: Armenian-American Music: English Translation of Lyrics for Vartér by Harry Saroyan

One of the Armenian verses on Harry's CD was written by Robert Tashjian, and the other by Harry Saroyan himself. I have no idea whether these are the same lyrics used by Mirage on their recording.

Shira, Shoshanim doesn't mean roses it means lilies.

Erev Shel Shoshanim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lyrics:

English translation

It is an evening of lilies
Let us go out to the garden
Myrrh, Spices, and Frankincense
Are as a carpet under your feet

Night falls slowly
And a wind of lilies blows
Let me whisper a song for you
A song of pure love

Dawn and the dove coos
Your hair is full of dewdrops
Your lips are as roses unto the morning
I will pick them for myself
[edit] English transliteration

Erev shel shoshanim
Netzeh na el habustan
Mor besamim ulevona
Leraglech miftan

Layla yored le'at
Veru'ach shoshan noshvah
Havah elchash lach shir balat
Zemer shel ahava

Shachar homa yonah
Roshech maleh telalim
Pich el haboker shoshana
Ektefenu li
[edit] Original Hebrew

ערב של שושנים
נצא נא אל הבוסתן
מור בשמים ולבונה
.לרגלך מפתן

לילה יורד לאט
ורוח שושן נושבה
הבה אלחש לך שיר בלאט
.זמר של אהבה

שחר הומה יונה
ראשך מלא טללים
פיך אל הבוקר, שושנה
.אקטפנו לי

Now, these lyrics refer to the Song of Solomon, in the Old Testament, and I fail to see why the Hebrew won't suffice?

Just asking.

Originally Posted by Elibelinde

Shira, Shoshanim doesn't mean roses it means lilies.

I'm confused. I have MANY sources that say it means "roses". I don't know Hebrew, so I'll defer to those who DO know.

But I can tell you that the translation on my web site at Hebrew-Language Music: English Translation of Lyrics for Erev Shel Shoshanim was done by someone who knows Hebrew, and she used the word "roses". And the translator's name was Shoshana....

I also have a sheet music book of Israeli songs that includes translations, and it too uses the word "roses".

When I copy and paste the first line from your Hebrew version in the above post (ie, ערב של שושנים ) to Google Translate, it translates as "roses".

I'm NOT saying you're wrong, just that I'm confused since you're telling me something different from what I've heard elsewhere. But then, this wouldn't be the first time I've been confused!

the hyes in this town say roses.. i learned something new today !!. i had only heard this song for 40 + years as being hye...so, wow..this is sorta cool!...hey, it's all flowers to me!
could the type of flower be a metiphor?

This won't help the confusion any (and I don't speak Hebrew), but Google says שושן "shoshan" is "lily" and שושנה "shoshanim" is "rose." If I paste those terms into separate Google image searchs, I get pictures of lilies, then roses. Wikipedia complicates things. It's perfectly content to call שושן a lily (שושן - סוג), but when I ask for שושנה, it redirects me to the page for a different word, ורד, which appears to be the Hebrew equivalent of "ward"/"warda" in Arabic (ורד).

FWIW, it looks like "zanbaq" (زنبق) is supposed to be the word for "lily" in Arabic.

Originally Posted by Elibelinde

The song is Israeli so why shouldn't the lyrics be in Hebrew?

I've got absolutely nothing against the lyrics in Hebrew- I like the song so I'm looking for all the variations I can find, that's all.

feel free to PM me. i collect too ! been known to burn 5 versions of 1 song on a cd ....and make all crazy!!!!!